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Poll Question: who of these phycesists are / were the most important
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    Posted: June 28 2014 at 11:47
I have seen both on youtube both done great things to science, i really love the mind and thoughts of Richard Feynman on Youtube, and Steven Hawking is truely inspirring.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2014 at 12:32
As much as I admire Hawking, it's Feynman by a very wide margin.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2014 at 13:05
Ciuld you mention please scientis/physecists which you rank over Feynman in 1900s of some fame and in-between Richard and Stephen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2014 at 13:16
Feynman died in 1988 so everyone ranked over him in the 90s Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 01:04
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I have seen both on youtube both done great things to science, i really love the mind and thoughts of Richard Feynman on Youtube, and Steven Hawking is truely inspirring.

I will be the first one to vote above for Steven Hawking, mainly because I had to look up Richard Feyman on google while I know Hawking's work (some). Anyway I am a nincompoop
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 01:10
This is good, if you want have a look at this, it's satirical funny really :) Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Stephen Hawking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPV3D7f3bHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPV3D7f3bHY

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 02:09
Feynman was the greater of the two, but Nils Bohr was even greater
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 02:55
Feynman's contribution was much more important, wider and more inspired than Hawking's (who of course deserves admiration too), and it's true that even Feynman's work was probably less revolutionary than that of the original quantum guys, Bohr, Heisenberg, Dirac, Schroedinger, Einstein and co.
It's sad to say this but it's hard to see anybody after Feynman who can be comparable in terms of insight and importance of his-her contribution, maybe only Murray Gell-Mann being close for his contribution to QCD and the completion of the standard model.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 03:20
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I have seen both on youtube both done great things to science, i really love the mind and thoughts of Richard Feynman on Youtube, and Steven Hawking is truely inspirring.

I will be the first one to vote above for Steven Hawking, mainly because I had to look up Richard Feyman on google while I know Hawking's work (some). Anyway I am a nincompoop
That's a bit of shame and a reflection on the nature of popular celebrity, but rest assured in the realm of Physics Feynman was as much a celebrity as Hawking.


Anyway, you're not a nincompoop.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 03:31
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Ciuld you mention please scientis/physecists which you rank over Feynman in 1900s of some fame and in-between Richard and Stephen.
There have been quite a few great ones after Feynman, the problem (or better said, the big difference) is that after QCD and the completion of the standard model in general, all the later developments have been in theoretical areas, without experimental confirmation (I mean big things, of course there have been experimentally confirmed advances but not changing radically the existing theories). That's why I mentioned Gell-Mann in my other post as possibly the latest of those who really changed the big theories. The standard model is the last big theory which so far has passed every experimental test.
But of course there have been very important people, John Wheeler made important contributions to the refinement of quantum theory, Roger Penrose, Alan Guth for the inflationary theory which although not experimentally confirmed is widely supported, George Smoot and his team confirmed experimentally the important fact that the universe expansion is accelerating, Veneziano or Edward Witten in string theory, Leonard Susskind or Lee Smolin in cosmological theories, Zumino and the other guys who developed supersymmetry, David Deutsch made much progress in quantum computing etc etc.
But on one hand, most of these people either did not really make big changes to the existing theories (such as QED or QCD were at their time), or their contributions, while possibly important have remained theoretical without experimental confirmation.
Another thing is that recently most advances are done by teams along certain time, it's not anymore the case that a single guy radically changes physics with his own insight such as Einstein and co did. If you take important recent developments such as supersymmetry, string theory, quantum loop gravity etc, it's hard to pinpoint a single person as the "inventor" or "discoverer", they are usually the result of the sum of several people's work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 05:38
I like watching Brian Greenes documentaries and that japanese american Michia Kaku, both are good at presenting theories and are good at precenting difficult stuff in a precentable manner.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 11:00
My field of study (electrical engineering) probably owes much more to Feynman
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 11:14
Richard Feynman, one of the greatest modern geniuses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 13:33
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I like watching Brian Greenes documentaries and that japanese american Michia Kaku, both are good at presenting theories and are good at precenting difficult stuff in a precentable manner.

Yeah they may not be great physicists themselves but they do a good job at bringing science to the wider public, and this alone is worth a praise for them. Sometimes they exaggerate a bit though, listening to Greene you would think that string theory is the solution to the Theory of Everything question when it is not the case, and Kaku too often makes a shortcut from accepted physics to imaginary possibilities, but OK, it's good that they try to get people interested in science.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 13:42
I feel Greene is a better physesist the Kaku, but i might be wrong, but his mind is flexible and makes quantum reality seem graspable in a sence , ( which is really not possible) he might be a bit to animatic and might never wim a nebel price, but have youseen his interview with Richard Dawkins, very good and gets a nice comparisons between evolutionary biology and physics.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 13:53
Don't really know enough about either man to say who's work is more meaningful, though I enjoyed Hawking's celebrated book,  but the word 'physicist ' was really mangled in the poll question header.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 13:54
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I feel Greene is a better physesist the Kaku, but i might be wrong, but his mind is flexible and makes quantum reality seem graspable in a sence , ( which is really not possible) he might be a bit to animatic and might never wim a nebel price, but have youseen his interview with Richard Dawkins, very good and gets a nice comparisons between evolutionary biology and physics.   
What I meant is that they are just good communicators, none of them has made really significant contributions to the science itself as physicists (they have done some good stuff, sure, but nothing really outstanding). But yes, communicating about science is also very important nowadays when very few people seem interested in it, and for that alone Greene and Kaku deserve praise. It's a bit like what Carl Sagan did in the 1980's about astrophysics and cosmology.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 14:36
Or David Athenbourough has done in 40years of biologicsl diveraity of pkanet earth?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 15:18
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2014 at 15:36
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Or David Athenbourough has done in 40years of biologicsl diveraity of pkanet earth?
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Attenborough is not a scientist, he's a TV presenter of nature documentaries.
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