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kingofbizzare
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Topic: I was wondering... Posted: August 09 2005 at 23:11 |
Do you think there were bootleggers in the time of classical music?
Think about it. It's the first performance of a new Mozart piece. As
the crowd settles a guy in the back pulls out his quill pen and staff
paper. As the concert begins, he transcribes the entire thing onto the
paper. The next day, he's made copies and swaps it with his friends...
just a thought
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 23:13 |
It would be damn near impossible to notate every single note in one listen...
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maani
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Posted: August 09 2005 at 23:46 |
kingofbizarre:
Actually, we know that such things did, in fact occur - though not, perhaps, in that "direct" a fashion. It is, of course, common knowledge that Salieri was plagiarizing Mozart left and right. And I'm sure he was not the first, nor the last.
After all, many of the great composers of the baroque and early romantic era also served as "court" musicians, composing music for the king, queen, prince, what have you. So they were in prestigious positions. Anyone who was jealous of that position - or had enough "ambition" to try to "unseat" the reigning court musician - would certainly have been calculating enough to create something that sounded similar to that person. So plagiarizing was quite rampant. And this was not "influence" (though that also occurred), but out-and-out rip-off. [N.B. This was also true of artists (e.g., Michelangelo, Rafael, etc.), who, in addition to "freelancing," were often "on retainer" to royalty. In order to try to "unseat" them, other artists would plagiarize their styles, and sometimes their work.]
Still, there was an "upside" to this: it encouraged many composers to create new works. And those who were not necessarily plagiarizing often created great works, some of which became as well-known as those of the composers they were trying to "copy" or "unseat."
If your "fantasy" were a tad bit more sci-fi, you would have the guy in the audience pull out a DAT recorder and record the concert...
Peace.
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 00:30 |
kingofbizzare wrote:
Do you think there were bootleggers in the time of classical music? Think about it. It's the first performance of a new Mozart piece. As the crowd settles a guy in the back pulls out his quill pen and staff paper. As the concert begins, he transcribes the entire thing onto the paper. The next day, he's made copies and swaps it with his friends...
just a thought
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There was an excellent mini-series that I saw twice in the 90s called the Strauss Dynasty ... (about Johann senior, junior, Josef and Eduard) ... in one scene Johann Strauss Jr.'s orchestra is practicing some new material when his mother spots a young man in the courtyard ... who turns out to be transribing the material ... he gets away, but from then on, the practices are much more secretive ... later on in the show, some guy (I think it's Johann sr.'s rival Josef Lanner) is caught pretending that the material is his own!
Don't know how true all of this was (or even if I've got the details correctly) ... but it's always stuck in my mind
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 00:39 |
combine what cygnus said and what maani said and you get my opinion.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 02:38 |
Classical music isn't the same with the prog or any other music genre
copyright albums...Classical music can be freely played by
anyone,anywhere...So,no bootlegers cannot exist in classical music...
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 02:39 |
And Saglieri wasn't plagiarizing ANYTHING...The rumor that Saglieri and Mozart were enemies is A BIG FAKE...
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 03:24 |
...but it said so in the film "Amadeus", so it must be true... You'll be telling me there's no such thing as an Orc, next
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 03:33 |
[QUOTE=Jim Garten]...but it said so in the film "Amadeus", so it must be true...[\QUOTE]
It's based on a stage play. Good movie by the way! Have you seen "Immortal beloved", where Gary Oldman casts Beethoven? Lots of pretty ladies in nice dresses, european landscapes and nice music.
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Ricochet
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 06:31 |
Jim Garten wrote:
...but it said so in the film "Amadeus", so it must be true...
You'll be telling me there's no such thing as an Orc, next |
Films are not concludent... "Amadeus" is a very good movie,but,just
like in documentaries,the rivalry between Saglieri and Mozart is
fake...And the rumor that Saglieri poisoned Mozart even more fake...
And :cough: :cough: there is no Orc :cough:...
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