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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2014 at 01:37
Par Lindh is too often overlooked. Nice to have another supporter on board.Smile

Kayak's first four albums are the best (up to Last Encore) , alll 4 star albums at least with the two I mentioned being masterpeices imo. Also Kayak II and Royal Bed Bouncer have both been reissued recently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2014 at 18:40
Hey thanks Richardh! And I'm just reminding that you were the only one here who suggested the awesome Par Lindh Project!
 
Btw I've listened to that YouTube link of Kayak - 'Relics From A Distant Age' - man you're damn right about it - a stunning piano playing! And I've just known some Kayak's pretty cool music - as you suggested, I just listened to 'Trust In The Machine' and 'They Get To Know Me' (both from Kayak II), awesome tracks Thumbs Up, and the final parts of them just impressed me even more!, I'm gonna check them out asap too. Great suggestion again! Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2014 at 02:44
Great list Rick. Clap

You also should check out the Dutch band Kayak. Royal Bed Bouncer and Kayak II are the best starting points. They also have a new album coming out soon which I can't wait to get my hands on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2014 at 22:06
Second edition of my actualized Prog Rock Artists Masterpiece List:
 
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Trilogy
Keith Emerson - The Keith Emerson Band: Three Fates Project
Steve Hackett - Metamorpheus
Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings
Steve Hackett - A Midsummer Night's Dream
Steve Hackett - Beyond The Shrouded Horizon
The Nice - Five Bridges
Par Lindh Project - Gothic Impressions
Stephen Caudel - Wine Dark Sea
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
Locanda delle Fate - Forse Le Lucciole Non Si Amano Piů
Le Orme - Felona e Sorona
Le Orme - Collage
Triumvirat - Spartacus
Triumvirat - Mediterranean Tales
Triumvirat - Illusions On A Double Dimple
Camel - Dust and Dreams
Camel - The Snow Goose
Vangelis - The Music of Cosmos
Rick Wakeman - The Six Wives Of Henry VIII
Aphrodite's Child - 666
The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed
Eloy - Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes
Neuschwanstein - Battlement
Unreal City - La Crudelta Di Aprile
 
Still very much to know from the classics, the first ten in my whishlist that I haven't yet dig into: Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, Tangerine Dream, Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, Quella Vecchia Locanda, Goblin, King Crimson, Palepoli, Franco Battiato, Pekka Pohjola, and still know little of Keith Emerson's solo work, The Nice, The Enid, Par Lindh Project, and Pell Mell.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2014 at 21:40
About the only ones I'd call masterpieces are:
Gong - YOU
Magma - Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh
Zappa - Joe's Garage

But there are plenty of great albums:
Zappa - everything else he did
Gong - everything else they did
Magma - everything else they did
Jefferson something - Blows Against the Empire
Curved Air - Air Cut
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond
Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick
Hawkwind - Warrior On The Edge Of Time
Genesis - Foxtrot
Rennaisance - Turn Of The Cards
Hadouk Trio - Shamanimal
Yes - Close to the Edge
Starcastle - Fountains Of Light
Amon Duul II - Wolf City
Ozric Tentacles - pick any one - they're all good
If - If (perhaps not progressive?)
lots more......


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2014 at 23:33
Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

Yes - Fragile (no one else took it so)
Rush - Hemispheres (some people here already chose the 2 big ones in their discography so i went with this one)
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King (considered to be the first official prog album)
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon (really...)
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (prog magazine considered it on the ballet, unless ALOT of people voted as one as it was kind of high on the results; plus its my favorite ever, did i already say that or is that just me?? xD)
Genesis - A Trick of the Tail (anyone disagree?)

Fragile: I guess you beat me to the punch :) .. and I agree that the DSOTM is the Pink Floyd greatest masterpiece, although I consider the Gilmour-era AMLOR esthetically more refined.

I'd like to better understand the concept of ITCOCK being "considered" the first official prog album .. how about Sgt. Pepper you mentioned 2 lines below? And the likes of Procol Harum and Moody Blues. 

Since you mentioned Genesis: I enjoy some of the great music they made in the 70s and into the 80s, but I don't particularly like any of their full albums. 

Now then, my Top 10 chef d'oeuvre of "prog" (less fusion) list be .. 

Fragile 
Viljans Öga
Red
DSOTM (Waters PF)
AMLOR (Gilmour PF)
Snow Goose
FOABP
Fish Out of Water
Scheherezade
Sgt. Pepper
  
In no particular order
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2014 at 21:46
I know I'm about a month late but what the hell

IQ-The Road of Bones
Rush-Hemispheres
Dream Theater-Images and Words
Opeth-Stillife
The Mars Volta-De-loused In The Comatorium
Vienna Circle-White Clouds
Spock's Beard-Snow
Anathema-Judgement
Maudlin Of The Well-Part The Second
Karnivool-Sound Awake
Airbag-All Rights Removed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2014 at 17:59
Yes - CTTE and Going For The One
King Crimson - In the Court and Red
Genesis - Foxtrot and Selling England
Magma - MDK
VDGG - Pawn Hearts
PFM - Stati Di Immaginazione and Per Un Amico
Gentle Giant - Octopus
Pink Floyd - Wall, DSOTM, WYWH and Animals

Somewhat risky claims to masterpiecedom on this site:
Cardiacs - Sing To God
Spratleys Japs - Pony
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2014 at 15:22
Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All
Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2014 at 11:24
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

I find you pointed out very well the presence of those prog elements in their works, but in my point of view just a few prog-related songs are not enough to consider them as being part of a whole prog albums. One could also argue the same about 'Tommy' by The Who, or Queen's debut album, or 'Revolver' by The Beatles. And if we drill further we find out other very well known bands and artists showing clear prog influences, Black Sabbath and David Bowie for instance, and also from the 80's - Radiohead. But none I would call 'prog rock' bands (or artists) as they have never released a single real prog album imo.

This really is a topic that could be written on for hours... It also really is open for debate. There are those who call those particular albums prog, and then there are ones who don't. Sure, none of them are prog artists, but that is not to say they didn't do prog. Every instrumentally capable band from the 70s has had their share of prog, in my opinion, and some of them made a song or two that could be called "prog", while some had so much prog in their albums that those may as well be called prog albums.

Tommy was, in my opinion, a prog album just like Quadrophenia; I just didn't mention it because I think Quadrophenia is a truer masterpiece. The other albums you mentioned, just like Led Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy, are rock albums that had some prog in them (though Revolver is mostly psychedelic, really).

I'll open up a forum thread about this, since there does seem to be a lot of potential for a debate and I'd like to hear others' opinions on the matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2014 at 13:04
I'll try to limit myself one per artist, otherwise I'll just list every Steven Wilson album

Gazpacho - Night
Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet
No Man - Together We're Stranger
maudlin of the Well - Bath/Leaving Your Body Map
Agalloch - Marrow of the Spirit
Ulver - Perdition City
Marillion - Marbles
Dream Theater - Images and Words
Riverside - Second Life Syndrome
Pink Floyd - Animals
Ayreon - Human Equation
Pain of Salvation - Perfect Element
Anathema - Weather Systems

Ones I'm loving right now, but it's too soon to tell if they'll stand the test of time.

iamthemorning - Belighted
Musk Ox - Woodfall

It's been a while since I seriously listened to prog, and since I've been to this site. I'm sure I'll post more as I think of them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2014 at 10:21
Originally posted by Archeus Archeus wrote:

Originally posted by peril912 peril912 wrote:

Here's my list which doesn't include crap stuff like Discipline.

How is Discipline crap? Shocked

You can look at his post in general and come to the conclusion he has no idea what he's talking about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2014 at 05:22
Originally posted by peril912 peril912 wrote:

Here's my list which doesn't include crap stuff like Discipline.

How is Discipline crap? Shocked
What about dogs? What about cats? What about chickens?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2014 at 02:40
GENESIS - Wind & Wuthering
GRYPHON - Midnight Mushrumps
GENTLE GIANT - Acquiring the Taste
CAMEL - Moonmadness
MAHAVISHNU ORCHESTRA - The Inner Mounting Flame
JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play
MIKE OLDFIELD - Ommadawn
KING CRIMSON - Islands
YES - Going For the One
STEVE HACKETT - Voyage of the Acolyte
EGG - Egg
CARAVAN - In the Land of Grey and Pink
PINK FLOYD - Animals
ANTHONY PHILLIPS - The Geese and the Ghost
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2014 at 17:24
Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:


Led Zeppelin and Queen have had prog songs, but no real prog albums.

Agreed, but did you forget that The Beatles, The Who and Metallica have never had real prog albums or is just your thought? Because it's what I feel about these bands, pretty talented by the way.

I guess it is just my thought, but I really do believe those 3 albums are prog albums.

Quadrophenia had "Quadrophenia", "Doctor Jimmy" and "The Rock", as well as being a concept album.

Abbey Road had one of the first prog medleys ever, along with tracks like "I Want You", "Because" and "Here Comes the Sun" that had prog elements.

...And Justice for All had multiple song segments with 7/4 time signature, as well as many shifts in time and tone, random stopping and going, etc.

And looking back, I guess Queen II could be considered a prog release, what with the multiple concepts, fictional lyrics and individual songs like "March of the Black Queen", "White Queen", "The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke" etc.

Feel free to put up an argument; this is a topic that I enjoy discussing.
 
I find you pointed out very well the presence of those prog elements in their works, but in my point of view just a few prog-related songs are not enough to consider them as being part of a whole prog albums. One could also argue the same about 'Tommy' by The Who, or Queen's debut album, or 'Revolver' by The Beatles. And if we drill further we find out other very well known bands and artists showing clear prog influences, Black Sabbath and David Bowie for instance, and also from the 80's - Radiohead. But none I would call 'prog rock' bands (or artists) as they have never released a single real prog album imo.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2014 at 15:36
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:


Led Zeppelin and Queen have had prog songs, but no real prog albums.

Agreed, but did you forget that The Beatles, The Who and Metallica have never had real prog albums or is just your thought? Because it's what I feel about these bands, pretty talented by the way.

I guess it is just my thought, but I really do believe those 3 albums are prog albums.

Quadrophenia had "Quadrophenia", "Doctor Jimmy" and "The Rock", as well as being a concept album.

Abbey Road had one of the first prog medleys ever, along with tracks like "I Want You", "Because" and "Here Comes the Sun" that had prog elements.

...And Justice for All had multiple song segments with 7/4 time signature, as well as many shifts in time and tone, random stopping and going, etc.

And looking back, I guess Queen II could be considered a prog release, what with the multiple concepts, fictional lyrics and individual songs like "March of the Black Queen", "White Queen", "The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke" etc.

Feel free to put up an argument; this is a topic that I enjoy discussing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2014 at 05:49
The albums I list do not necessarily constitute my favourites, but are for me the zenith of the bands' creativity and musical progression.

Agalloch - The Mantle
Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde
Anathema - Weather Systems
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars
Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt.2: Scenes From a Memory
Explosions in the Sky - The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
Jehtro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Muse - Absolution
My Dying Bride - Songs of Darkness, Words of Light
Opeth - Still Life
Queen - Queen II
Sigur Rós - ( )
Tool - Lateralus
Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans

Not on PA, but prog in my book:

Amorphis - Tales From the Thousand Lakes
Arcade Fire - Reflektor
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2014 at 05:00
Originally posted by WrytXander WrytXander wrote:


Led Zeppelin and Queen have had prog songs, but no real prog albums.

Agreed, but did you forget that The Beatles, The Who and Metallica have never had real prog albums or is just your thought? Because it's what I feel about these bands, pretty talented by the way.


Edited by Rick Robson - September 13 2014 at 05:02


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 13 2014 at 03:57
I'll just do 1 per artist.

King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
Rush - Moving Pictures
Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
Camel - Mirage
Yes - Close to the Edge
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
Van der Graaf Generator - Godbluff
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Caravan - In the Land of Grey and Pink
Gentle Giant - In a Glass House
Dream Theatre - Scenes from a Memory 2
The Beatles - Abbey Road
The Who - Quadrophenia
Metallica - ...And Justice for All

Led Zeppelin and Queen have had prog songs, but no real prog albums.

Other artists I'm not familiar enough to list.

Also, yes, my list is very regular...


Edited by WrytXander - September 13 2014 at 03:59
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2014 at 21:36
Some of my all time favorites:

Banco-...di terra
Camel-snowgoose
Emerson, Lake and Palmer- same
Mahavishnu Orchestra- Birds of Fire
Ozric Tentacles- Jurassic Shift
Jon Anderson-Olias of Sunhillow
Porcupine Tree- Lightbulb Sun
Gentle Giant- Octopus
Yes-Relayer
Genesis-Selling England by the Pound
Kansas-Leftoverture
King Crimson- Lark's tongues in Aspic
Camel- Dust and Dreams
Peter Gabriel-same (1st ie car)
Rick Wakeman- Myths and Legends of King Arthur....
Rush- Hemispheres
Yes- Close to the Edge

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