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Posted: November 06 2014 at 18:34 |
we have very similar tastes David bonus mcClappies and a few micky points.  docking myself a few for forgetting one of my ALLTIME favorite classic albums. Doh... how could I forget Ys.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 18:49 |
 richardh wrote:
Just on the subject of ELP there is an argument that none of their albums are masterpieces
which is absolute bullsh*t. None of their albums are perfect. BIG difference.
so generally people pick their favourite album by then. Works Volume One was meant to be their masterpiece and the one that displayed them as they really were. Putting aside any issues of taste ( ie most people hate Greg Lake/Pete Sinfield ballads) is there anything actually wrong with this album?
big difference IMO again between a good album (and I thought that was) and an 'artist's masterpiece'. Works was an ELP album really in name only, it showcased the enormous talents of the individuals yet did nothing particular, especially in terms of defining masterpieces as a GROUP. What made ELP great, or when they were great are when the 3 genre defining individual talents were on the same page. Not surprisingly when they were they created music that defined a genre. Works was not that...
On the subject of the big five
Selling England By The Pound - don't like Epping Forest.Sorry for me that drags this album down quite a bit
Nor Genesis do a perfect album either. Yes that was Genesis making the listener listen to paint dry. A particularly well cultivated talent they had. However I thought SEbtP was the closest that incarnation got to perfection and creating music that NON fans of the group love, and is close enough to what others think in highly regarding it to safely tab it IMO as the group's masterpiece.
DSOTM - never been a fan of this album ever since I first heard it on 1977. But I've seen it played live by Waters and that was very enjoyable.
It is not my favorite my any stretch of the imagination but it was the perfect merger of the two halves of Floyd, the spacey sh*t of the early era and the very much Water dominated later years.
TFTO- Its growing on me a lot but GFTO was probably their masterpiece although not my favourite
listen to the Ancient a few more times. Learning to appreciate the brilliance of the savagry and beauty of it is key IMO to appreciating the album. It is a deep dense album and one of those that has a reward that repays the patience some might need to penetrate the density of it.
King Crimson - Red
bah. Never have, never will understand the appeal of that album. Oh well. 
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 19:04 |
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all that has been said about 'lack of cohesiveness' and 'lack of consistency'.
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Posted: November 06 2014 at 22:27 |
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richardh wrote:
Just on the subject of ELP there is an argument that none of their albums are masterpieces
which is absolute bullsh*t. None of their albums are perfect. BIG difference.
so generally people pick their favourite album by then. Works Volume One was meant to be their masterpiece and the one that displayed them as they really were. Putting aside any issues of taste ( ie most people hate Greg Lake/Pete Sinfield ballads) is there anything actually wrong with this album?
big difference IMO again between a good album (and I thought that was) and an 'artist's masterpiece'. Works was an ELP album really in name only, it showcased the enormous talents of the individuals yet did nothing particular, especially in terms of defining masterpieces as a GROUP. What made ELP great, or when they were great are when the 3 genre defining individual talents were on the same page. Not surprisingly when they were they created music that defined a genre. Works was not that...
On the subject of the big five
Selling England By The Pound - don't like Epping Forest.Sorry for me that drags this album down quite a bit
Nor Genesis do a perfect album either. Yes that was Genesis making the listener listen to paint dry. A particularly well cultivated talent they had. However I thought SEbtP was the closest that incarnation got to perfection and creating music that NON fans of the group love, and is close enough to what others think in highly regarding it to safely tab it IMO as the group's masterpiece.
DSOTM - never been a fan of this album ever since I first heard it on 1977. But I've seen it played live by Waters and that was very enjoyable.
It is not my favorite my any stretch of the imagination but it was the perfect merger of the two halves of Floyd, the spacey sh*t of the early era and the very much Water dominated later years.
TFTO- Its growing on me a lot but GFTO was probably their masterpiece although not my favourite
listen to the Ancient a few more times. Learning to appreciate the brilliance of the savagry and beauty of it is key IMO to appreciating the album. It is a deep dense album and one of those that has a reward that repays the patience some might need to penetrate the density of it.
King Crimson - Red
bah. Never have, never will understand the appeal of that album. Oh well.
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With ELP I tend to think they had their masterpieces: Tarkus (the track not the album) Take A Pebble Karn Evil 9 Toccata Pirates Trilogy (again the track not the album) The Endless Enigma Three Fates
you probably get my drift
The album Works Volume One does display them exactly as they were and breaks down the component parts of the band and then reassembles it all on the group side. Carl Palmer believed it was their best album although whether he still holds that opinion I'm not sure tbh. I always found it a bit colourless personally and rated it 3 stars so really I don't think it was their masterpiece. BSS is the closest imo only a hair breadth from perfect if you remove the dreaded 'fun track'.
TFTO seems a particularly contentious album. The scope of ambition dwarfs just about everything but I suspect Wakeman's slightly bitter comments did much to kill the respect that album obviously deserved.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 03:25 |
What is a masterpiece? A highly important, well crafted and influential album or one that you just happen to personally love..? I think that's a valid question. I'm not blown away by Sgt Pepper for example, because I can take or leave most of the songs, but I do understand why it is considered a masterpiece. For me, some masterpiece albums would be.. ITCOTCK - KC Red - KC DSOTM - Pink Floyd Animals - Pink Floyd CTTE - Yes (although I think the song Awaken is their ultimate masterpiece song..  ) Ok Computer - Radiohead Hounds of Love - Kate Bush A trick of the Tail - Genesis Moving Pictures - Rush Hot Rats - Frank Zappa Still Life - VDGG ELP - Debut album or possibly Trilogy To our childrens childrens children - Moody Blues Script for a jesters tear - Marillion
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 03:45 |
Nice list Blacksword, don't think I agree on A Trick Of The Tail, but agree, the singing went up on that record. And I certainly don't agree with Animals, think it's pretentious and overblown, but I guess different ears create different experiences. Nice to see you add The Moody Blues and Kate Bush to your list. My list is up there somewhere. Some additions: according to your criteria: Queen - A Night At The Opera that's for me the best album ever made (not the most beautiful, just the combination of so many different things in a coherent piece of art) Audience - The House On The Hill great album, with very good (to my ears) vocals, an album that I just love.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 04:47 |
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In terms of what a 'masterpiece' is I'll go with albums that have a remarkable level of consistency and where I enjoy all or nearly all the tracks, so:
Atomic Rooster - In Hearing Of
Colosseum - Valentyne Suite
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Yes - Going for the One
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
Focus - Hamburger Concerto
Horslips - The Tain
King Crimson - In the Court (slightly dubious choice since I always skip the tedious jam on Moonchild)
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
10cc - How Dare You
Blue Oyster Cult - Spectres
Uriah Heep - Salisbury
Wishbone Ash - Argus
The Doors - s/t
The Beatles - Abbey Road
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:23 |
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I do indeed have many albums what I consider as 'Masterpiece' status - however, there's a handful that for me, personally, that exceed the 5 star level........here's a few........
ANEKDOTEN - Nucleus
ANGE - Caricatures, Le Cimitiere des Arlequins
ANGLAGARD - all 3 studio albums
ASH RA TEMPEL - S/T
ATOMIC ROOSTER - S/T
KEVIN AYERS - Joy Of A Toy
CAN - Future Days
CARAVAN - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
CELESTE - S/T
CHICAGO - VII
BRUCE COCKBURN - S/T and Salt, Sun And Time
CRAZY WORLD OF ARTHUR BROWN - S/T
CURVED AIR - Air Cut
DOM - Edge Of Time
EGG - The Civil Surface
ELEPHANT9 - Walk The Nile
ELP - Pictures At An Exhibition
FRUUPP - Future Legends
GENTLE GIANT - S/T
GLASS HAMMER - Perilous
GRYPHON - S/ T
GURU GURU - Kanguru
PETER HAMMILL - Chameleon, Silent Corner and In Camera
HAWKWIND - Warrior At The Edge Of Time, Electric Tepee
HENRY COW - LegEnd
HOELDERLIN - Rare Birds
HOPPER / GOWEN - Two Rainbows Daily
IRON MAIDEN - The X Factor
JEFFERSON AIRPLANE - After Bathing At Baxter's / Long John Silver
KAHN - Space Shanty
KRAAN - Wintrup
KRAFTWERK - S/T
LANDBERK - Riktigt Akta
LE ORME - Uomo Di Pezza / Felona e Sorona
MAGENTA - The Twenty-Seven Club
MAGMA - S/T, 1001 Degrees Centigrades, Kohntarkosz, Udu Wudu
NATIONAL HEALTH - DS Al Coda
OZRIC TENTACLES - Erpland, Live Underslunky
PANZERPAPPA - Astromalist
PENDRAGON - The Masquerade Overture
PINK FLOYD - WYWH
PORCUPINE TREE - Coma Divine
PFM - Per Un Amico
PULSAR - Pollen
QUICKSILVER - S/T, Shady Grove
ROLLING STONES - Satanic Majesties......
RENAISSANCE - Turn Of The Cards, Camera Camera
TODD RUNDGREN - A Wizard A True Star, Todd
SADE - Love Deluxe
KLAUS SCHULZE - Picture Music
SEBASTIAN HARDIE - Four Moments
SMELL OF INCENSE - Through The Gates Of Deeper Slumber
NIK TURNER'S SPHYNX - Xitintoday
SPOCK'S BEARD - The Light
SOFT MACHINE - Third, Fifth
SPRING - S/T
SUPERSISTER - Pudding And Gisteren
TANGERINE DREAM - Stratosfear
THIEVE'S KITCHEN - One For Sorrow.....
TIRILL - Um Himinjodur
TRETTIAORIGA KRIGET - Efter Efter
VDGG - Pawn Hearts
WHITE WILLOW - Ignis Fatuus
WISHBONE ASH - S/T
RICHARD WRIGHT - Wet Dream
YES - Fragile, Topographic, Relayer, Drama
YETI - Things To Come
ZAO - Osiris
ZAPPA - Uncle Meat, Grand Wazoo
.........just a handful of gems (tip of the iceberg really....) that rock my world beyond the beyond.....
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:26 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
In terms of what a 'masterpiece' is I'll go with albums that have a remarkable level of consistency and where I enjoy all or nearly all the tracks, so:
Atomic Rooster - In Hearing Of
Colosseum - Valentyne Suite
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Yes - Going for the One
ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
Focus - Hamburger Concerto
Horslips - The Tain
King Crimson - In the Court (slightly dubious choice since I always skip the tedious jam on Moonchild)
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
10cc - How Dare You
Blue Oyster Cult - Spectres
Uriah Heep - Salisbury
Wishbone Ash - Argus
The Doors - s/t
The Beatles - Abbey Road
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I was thinking about choosing Stand Up over A Passion Play in my list. Such a great album and the one
that really got me hooked on Tull. Very nice choice indeed.
.....but BOC's Spectres? Really? I'd take any of the first ones over it with Secret Treaties being my fave of the lot.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:29 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
I do indeed have many albums what I consider as 'Masterpiece' status - however, there's a handful that for me, personally, that exceed the 5 star level........here's a few........
ANGE - Le Cimitere des Arlequins
ANGLAGARD - all 3 studio albums
ASH RA TEMPEL - S/T
ATOMIC ROOSTER - S/T
KEVIN AYERS - Joy Of A Toy
CAN - Future Days
CARAVAN - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
BRUCE COCKBURN - S/T and Salt, Sun And Time
CRAZY WORLD OF ARTHUR BROWN - S/T
CURVED AIR - Air Cut
FRUUPP - Future Legends
GENTLE GIANT - S/T
GRYPHON - S/ T
GURU GURU - Kanguru
PETER HAMMILL - Chameleon, Silent Corner and In Camera
HAWKWIND - Electric Tepee
HENRY COW - LegEnd
HOELDERLIN - Rare Birds
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Uuhh I forgot about Känguru in my list!! I see you included Future Days and In the Land of Grey and Pink in yours as well 
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:34 |
tuxon wrote:
Nice list Blacksword, don't think I agree on A Trick Of The Tail, but agree, the singing went up on that record. And I certainly don't agree with Animals, think it's pretentious and overblown, but I guess different ears create different experiences. Nice to see you add The Moody Blues and Kate Bush to your list. My list is up there somewhere. Some additions: according to your criteria: Queen - A Night At The Opera that's for me the best album ever made (not the most beautiful, just the combination of so many different things in a coherent piece of art) Audience - The House On The Hill great album, with very good (to my ears) vocals, an album that I just love.
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Good call on Night at the Opera. It's an excellent album. I'm going to dog that out and give it a spin tonight I think.. There are a few tracks that probably didn't need to be on there, but there's many albums that I would that applies to, and they're considered masterpieces. I think many would agree with you regarding Animals and ATOTT. Perhaps they are not masterpieces in the respect that they are not seminal albums, but with regard to ATOTT I regard it as defining to Genesis as SEBTP was. It was the start of a new era for a band under enormous pressure and yet in terms of musicanship and production it outstripped everything they had done before. It also defined the Genesis sound and style for the next three albums or so, their biggest selling to date.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:36 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
I do indeed have many albums what I consider as 'Masterpiece' status - however, there's a handful that for me, personally, that exceed the 5 star level........here's a few........
ANGE - Le Cimitere des Arlequins
ASH RA TEMPEL - S/T
ATOMIC ROOSTER - S/T
CAN - Future Days
CARAVAN - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
CURVED AIR - Air Cut
HOELDERLIN - Rare Birds |
Man, I have been playing that self titled Ash Ra nonstop lately! Had it ages ago, let it be for a while, now I can't work out why on earth I `let it be' for so long! Damn, Tom, I would probably personally place `Caricatures' JUST ahead of `Le Cimitere...'....but I'd be happy for them to both slug it out for my attention! Heh, `Rare Birds'...I've had the CD for months (and the `Clowns' one) but never listened to it! I'm still so satisfied with the self titled and lovable old `New Faces' that I haven't felt the need to move on yet!
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:40 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
I was thinking about choosing Stand Up over A Passion Play in my list. Such a great album and the one
that really got me hooked on Tull. Very nice choice indeed.
.....but BOC's Spectres? Really? I'd take any of the first ones over it with Secret Treaties being my fave of the lot. |
Some of my choices may be a bit contentious - some might even say "naff" - but that's personal taste for you. Spectres seems to have a bad rep with a lot of BOC fans but I think it's full of memorable tunes, the production is great and I love Buck Dharma's guitar work. I like their early "Black and White" albums but the production on them always sounded a bit thin to my ears. Tull were really on a roll when they did Stand Up and it's amazing when you think of all the great songs from that period they left off like Living in the Past, Teacher, Sweet Dream and Witches Promise.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 05:48 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
I was thinking about choosing Stand Up over A Passion Play in my list. Such a great album and the one
that really got me hooked on Tull. Very nice choice indeed.
.....but BOC's Spectres? Really? I'd take any of the first ones over it with Secret Treaties being my fave of the lot. |
Some of my choices may be a bit contentious - some might even say "naff" - but that's personal taste for you. Spectres seems to have a bad rep with a lot of BOC fans but I think it's full of memorable tunes, the production is great and I love Buck Dharma's guitar work. I like their early "Black and White" albums but the production on them always sounded a bit thin to my ears.
Tull were really on a roll when they did Stand Up and it's amazing when you think of all the great songs from that period they left off like Living in the Past, Teacher, Sweet Dream and Witches Promise.
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Hey I love when people have....let's just say odd choices. Hell most of my own are not from English speaking countries but from Italy, France, Germany, Japan, Sweden and not necessarily the obvious picks. Tastes are what makes this site interesting, spice baby!
My fave Tull is early Tull, so I completely agree with you - even if they made their high water mark with A Passion Play. I think my current fave of theirs is 'With you there to help me'.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:01 |
micky wrote:
we have very similar tastes David
bonus mcClappies and a few micky points.
docking myself a few for forgetting one of my ALLTIME favorite classic albums. Doh... how could I forget Ys.
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Yeah I caught that too Good to see dear ol Frankie boy getting some mentions as well. He is the bee's teeth. Numero uno, especially when he's fondling up his VCS3  One of the rare synthesiser players who sounds larval in his delivery.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:03 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
My fave Tull is early Tull, so I completely agree with you - even if they made their high water mark with A Passion Play. I think my current fave of theirs is 'With you there to help me'.
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wow. It is almost scary. I've met a lot of people on this forum over the years David. Tell me you love Willie Nelson and I'll start think thinking we were seperated at birth or something like that. Känguru? Hell yeah!!! With You There to Help Me has been my absolute favorite Tull track for as long as I've been listening to them. Perfection. As far as Tull. Raff and I disagree... I mean REALLY disagree really only on one thing musically and that is regarding Jethro Tull. I suppose with you as well, I know I have with 99.9 of the forum. I think Tull reached their creative peak with Aqualung and then overreached and became the originator of the mediorce prog moniker. Prog for prog's sake. The rest of the 70's albums were simply ho hum to me. Aqualung was their definitive masterpiece IMO.
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I've not actually heard A Passion Play, so that's another to put on my list! A few other personal masterpieces I forgot to mention are Fairport Convention - s/t (yep another odd choice since nearly everyone prefers the Sandy Denny era), Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, and Brian Auger Trinity - Befour.
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:23 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
I do indeed have many albums what I consider as 'Masterpiece' status - however, there's a handful that for me, personally, that exceed the 5 star level........here's a few........
ANGE - Le Cimitere des Arlequins
ANGLAGARD - all 3 studio albums
ASH RA TEMPEL - S/T
ATOMIC ROOSTER - S/T
KEVIN AYERS - Joy Of A Toy
CAN - Future Days
CARAVAN - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
BRUCE COCKBURN - S/T and Salt, Sun And Time
CRAZY WORLD OF ARTHUR BROWN - S/T
CURVED AIR - Air Cut
FRUUPP - Future Legends
GENTLE GIANT - S/T
GRYPHON - S/ T
GURU GURU - Kanguru
PETER HAMMILL - Chameleon, Silent Corner and In Camera
HAWKWIND - Electric Tepee
HENRY COW - LegEnd
HOELDERLIN - Rare Birds
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Uuhh I forgot about Känguru in my list!! I see you included Future Days and In the Land of Grey and Pink in yours as well |
You caught my incomplete list.......
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Posted: November 07 2014 at 06:27 |
richardh wrote:
micky wrote:
richardh wrote:
Just on the subject of ELP there is an argument that none of their albums are masterpieces
which is absolute bullsh*t. None of their albums are perfect. BIG difference.
so generally people pick their favourite album by then. Works Volume One was meant to be their masterpiece and the one that displayed them as they really were. Putting aside any issues of taste ( ie most people hate Greg Lake/Pete Sinfield ballads) is there anything actually wrong with this album?
big difference IMO again between a good album (and I thought that was) and an 'artist's masterpiece'. Works was an ELP album really in name only, it showcased the enormous talents of the individuals yet did nothing particular, especially in terms of defining masterpieces as a GROUP. What made ELP great, or when they were great are when the 3 genre defining individual talents were on the same page. Not surprisingly when they were they created music that defined a genre. Works was not that...
On the subject of the big five
Selling England By The Pound - don't like Epping Forest.Sorry for me that drags this album down quite a bit
Nor Genesis do a perfect album either. Yes that was Genesis making the listener listen to paint dry. A particularly well cultivated talent they had. However I thought SEbtP was the closest that incarnation got to perfection and creating music that NON fans of the group love, and is close enough to what others think in highly regarding it to safely tab it IMO as the group's masterpiece.
DSOTM - never been a fan of this album ever since I first heard it on 1977. But I've seen it played live by Waters and that was very enjoyable.
It is not my favorite my any stretch of the imagination but it was the perfect merger of the two halves of Floyd, the spacey sh*t of the early era and the very much Water dominated later years.
TFTO- Its growing on me a lot but GFTO was probably their masterpiece although not my favourite
listen to the Ancient a few more times. Learning to appreciate the brilliance of the savagry and beauty of it is key IMO to appreciating the album. It is a deep dense album and one of those that has a reward that repays the patience some might need to penetrate the density of it.
King Crimson - Red
bah. Never have, never will understand the appeal of that album. Oh well.
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With ELP I tend to think they had their masterpieces: Tarkus (the track not the album) Take A Pebble Karn Evil 9 Toccata Pirates Trilogy (again the track not the album) The Endless Enigma Three Fates
you probably get my drift
The album Works Volume One does display them exactly as they were and breaks down the component parts of the band and then reassembles it all on the group side. Carl Palmer believed it was their best album although whether he still holds that opinion I'm not sure tbh. I always found it a bit colourless personally and rated it 3 stars so really I don't think it was their masterpiece. BSS is the closest imo only a hair breadth from perfect if you remove the dreaded 'fun track'.
TFTO seems a particularly contentious album. The scope of ambition dwarfs just about everything but I suspect Wakeman's slightly bitter comments did much to kill the respect that album obviously deserved.
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As I would. It was a good album IMO. Not a great one, and definitely not a masterpiece. I would consider ELP had 4 masterpieces, 5 if you count the live album (Welcome Back) which by far is the greatest live prog album ever done. None of the studio album were perfect but then again Richard, if fansboys and fans had the capacity to dispassionately disect the albums they'd find there are VERY VERY FEW really perfect albums. What I would consider ELP masterpieces: The debut for the reasons earlier. I agree with some, especially a particular prominent internet reviewer that calls side 1 of the album perhaps the SINGLE best album side of prog ever done. That was perfect. Tarkus - Sure the 2nd side was not the hammer of the gods that side 1 was, but for what it was. It was pretty good. For all the sh*t hurled at ELP for being pretentious and yadda yadda yadda, they had a sense of humor and yes... a long of boogie woogie. I think if they had done a Tarkus pt 2 on the second side, people would have ripped them for that. It is a love 'em or hate 'em group. I enjoy the 2nd side and was a change of pace musically and aestetically from the 1st. Anyhow, regardless of that. It gets masterpiece for the 1st side alone. Pictures of an Exhibition. I think John McFerrin nailed this one, along with countless reviews. 10 pound stones to do that album, another mile marker in the history per se of prog, it doesn't hurt that regardless of how they trashed a beloved classic it is a great and interesting album to listen to. Of course Brain Salad Surgery is a classic. Kept only by reaching THEIR defining classic IMO by two glaring weaknesses the debut did not have. The infamously lyrically bad ballad, and the 3rd impression of K.E 9 which while not bad, just didn't keep with with the shear awesomenous of the first 2. It ended that on a bit of a bum note IMO.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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