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Argonaught 
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Posted: September 25 2014 at 08:27 |
 Guldbamsen wrote:
I'd rather listen to Steven playing his guitar over <... Malmsteen...>
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Oh, that's so unfair  ... The Holy Man of rock Yngwie is the only dedicated heavy metal guitarist in the World that I ever listen to!
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Posted: September 25 2014 at 08:03 |
He's no Petrucci in terms of ability, but I'd give him a 8-10 for his talent for composing a great solo that conveys a lot of emotion and is amazing to listen to. I'd rather listen to him than many other guitarists purely for this reason.
Just a few great moments from him. Dark Matter, Sound of Muzak, and Shesmovedon is one of the best solos I've heard in terms of structure and how it builds and builds to a climax. Check out the version on the XM CD, a radio recording.
His guitar parts for Blackfield, are also very strong, he's a master at knowing what works for the song.
Edited by Souljacker - September 25 2014 at 08:06
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proggman
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 22:07 |
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6-8.
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When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:13 |
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6-8 easily!
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:10 |
I'd rather listen to Steven playing his guitar over McLaughlin, Vai, Holdsworth, Petrucci or Malmsteen. All of those mentioned can wipe the floor with him in terms of technicality and flash, but fortunately that's not all there is to music 
In terms of a rating? 42 is always the answer when in doubt.
Edited by Guldbamsen - September 23 2014 at 09:10
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:58 |
johnobvious wrote:
All I know is that when the solos for Shesmovedon and Sound of Muzak come on, I am happy. Don't need to grade him. He's just fine in my book. |
Two songs by him I really like....even though they are more 'commercial' I like those as well as Even Less and Dark Matter.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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uduwudu
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Posted: September 23 2014 at 06:23 |
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When I hear something like Burning Sky it's just great. He has the guitar part to fit the piece. This is the key thing, he fits solos and leads in the arrangements to complement the music rather than ok, verse, chorus, (repeat) NOW guitar solo.
Re: The recomposed thing - yes especially with the third album, the first I heard. Sky Moves Sideways. Anyone hearing that who had not heard PF may be blown away. It really is fine. But he made that "as PF were not making music like that any more" and went on to say he regretted that album now. I can note some Tull lyrical influences particularly on Stupid Dream. But everyone is the sum of their influences and newer rock is not really that different from older rock. Which is a problem as the essence of originality is being different while influenced by favourites... Fortunately SW with P Tree has a lot of talent and made some great albums like Signify.
In a way he kind of reminds me of Jeff Lynne who is a great writer , v. good singer and no great guitarist - ELO got away with not having a guitar whiz on board like KC got away with not having a keyboard whiz.
Slightly OT but as the vocals were already mentioned....if anyone ever wonders if SW ever over stepped the vocal mark it's on an unreleased number recorded on the Blank Planet concerts. Clearly his association with Opeth was happening. The number unreleased - tune? - features the death growl. Only... much worse than anyone who doesn't like death growls has ever heard. It was actually a bit funny. Props for stepping outside the comfort zone. More props for leaving it off the album....
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Posted: September 22 2014 at 15:45 |
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All I know is that when the solos for Shesmovedon and Sound of Muzak come on, I am happy. Don't need to grade him. He's just fine in my book.
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Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 18:42 |
Solid 8 from me. He has always had a lovely tone no matter which project he is involved in.He may not be a technical wizard but always manages to make his guitar sound just right for any song.
Love his acoustic work as well as electric.
Myself and mates spoke to Guthrie Govan recently about his soloing work on SW's Raven album and he said that he followed SW's demo's pretty much because they were just so detailed and "right". Good praise we thought.
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 14:49 |
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6-8 for me.....What he does with the guitar for Porcupine Tree and his solo work is very good.
I also think he is a good vocalist too.
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 14:22 |
17 out of 26 voters say its 6-8. Now i see some appreciation for Mr. Wilson's guitar playing 
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Argonaught
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 09:45 |
On the scale of 1 to 7:Sound Mastery - Wizardly (7)Band Leadership - Grand (6)Lyrics - Good (5) .. I personally do not like his lyrics, but recognize the high level of complexity and depth of his spiritual world. Composer Skills - Average (4). Not to worry: PF and KC in their heyday weren't known for intricate melody-making either. Musicianship - Below Average (3). It's prog here, not punk rock. High standards apply.
Innovation/Originality - Poor (2). Maybe it's only me, but when I listen to Wilson I very often hear what sounds like recomposed passages and soundscapes from the early Yes, KC, PF and Genesis
Singing - Terrible! (1). On his early albums it wasn't as distracting and irritating as on the latter, more mature ones. I perfectly understand that it's very important for Wilson's ego to imprint his vocal seal on almost every piece they make, but I am secretly hoping one day they will roll out a fully instrumental EP in the Nil Recurring vein.
Edited by Argonaught - September 21 2014 at 09:46
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 09:10 |
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Hard to believe, something most of seem to agree with. I too, go with the 6 to 8 category...
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 08:57 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
I don't pay that close attention to his guitar playing. I would put him in the same league as David Gilmour though. |
I would agree, but you are going to ruffle some feathers here  .
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 05:45 |
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4 for me since he's of middling ability.
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 04:18 |
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8-10, I forgot how much I appreciated him for his playing. Go listen to Up the Downstair, it's a standout for it.
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 04:11 |
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Just about in the 6-8 I guess (depends on what kind of scale it is though)
Edited by Xonty - September 21 2014 at 04:11
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 04:07 |
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He's not a virtuoso, but his playing is perfect. He's in my top 10 guitarists.
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 02:34 |
You kind of have to look at the early days of Porcupine Tree, when Wilson wasn't afraid to solo his heart out in the grandest and proggiest manner! He had a tremendous space-rock sound. Nowadays, and in pretty much the second half of the Porcupine Tree catalogue, he seemed to really move away from the extended grand soloing, almost as if he's somewhat embarrassed of it now. He also often covers his solos in heaps of distortion now, etc. I'm with Tom, I would also rate him at about 6-8, but damn, it's a freaking BIG 8 for him on those early Delirium label releases!
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Posted: September 21 2014 at 02:32 |
dr wu23 wrote:
6-8 for me also....a good guitarist but not a great one....though there are a few leads here and there where he does a really nice job. He does a superb lead on the live version of Dark Matter from one of his European shows...it's up on you tube. |
And the ending of 'Arriving Somewhere But Not Here' in Arriving Somewhere....DVD Very intense 
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