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    Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:09
Well, folks, will piracy and the expectation that music is now free kill off small and specialised music like prog rock ?

Will we just be left with Kylie Minogue and a pile of steaming rubble ?

What do you all think ? ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:30
What the Arctic fox said.

Also, it's impossible to kill music unless you're some kind of magic creature (Nickelback?). 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:34
You can't kill a corpse.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:36
Ahhhh, OK. ;-)

So. How will music piracy - the fact that so many people can download entire musical catalogues with the click of a button - affect Prog rock as a musical genre ?
Or will it ? 

Are we all happy now ? :-)

PS Probably true, Dark Elf. ;-) And let's face it, we all bought the albums in the 1970's. But how does it affect new bands ? ;-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:47
Well it's quite obvious. Most people downloading prog albums do not buy them afterwards. Even so called  "fans" of x band do this, and as a result of this fewer records are sold. I mean, this isn't exactly rocket scienceClown
I'm sure (I certainly hope) the bands who have something to say, in an original way, will come out on top. Granted, small teenie tiny acts, that 9 people know of worldwide, who gets their album downloaded, are probably not going to make it financially - unless it sparks a huge public success and people actually start paying money for the music. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:51
Absolutely. ;-)
The worrying thing is that prog rock means that you have to spend a long time learning to play. If there's nothing financially at the end of it, a lot of the next generation will say "might as well just churn out crap, then. " 

I really hope that doesn't happen. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 08:59
I'm sure the musical aspirations of youngins today are about as high and far reaching as the folks of yore's. If anything, I hear more of a 'perfectionist's' wet dream coming into play with a lot of modern stuff:
'Hey matey!!!!! That synth solo isn't supposed to go duuuuiiihooo dwuiiiiiiit but douuuuuiooo diouuuoo!!!!!! WTF are you doing?!?!?! Play it again Sam....and do it right and in tune and yaddayaddayadda.....'
I'll concede that this level of perfectionism suits some acts, a guy like Steve Wilson fx, but it is also what leaves my heart completely untouched in 90% of the time. The sterile lab production flirt, as I tend to call itDead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:21
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Well, folks, will piracy and the expectation that music is now free kill off small and specialised music like prog rock ?

Will we just be left with Kylie Minogue and a pile of steaming rubble ?

What do you all think ? ;-)
Of course not. On contrary, e.g. all these prog vids at YouTube are actually popularized prog.
And there will always be people - audiophiles, a band's fans and others - who will buy the official releases, digital and physical versions of the purpose of their collections.
Also, the prog bands will earning more money of playing live than from CDs because the tickets will be more and more expensive. The tickets were cheap when I was a liitle kid in a middle of 70s, but also in 80s, I remember that the concert tickets of famous British and American bands were very cheap.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:41
Believe it or not, there's a lot of bands/artists, not only prog but on any genre of music, that have figured out a way to give the music for free, and still make some profit in terms of touring, selling t-shirts, hats, etc, and make a decent profit, not to become rich and wealthy, but to make a decent living.

It's quite a different world out there, compared to the last decades of the 20th century, and adjustment is necessary to survive the e-trade and it's complexities. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Well, folks, will piracy and the expectation that music is now free kill off small and specialised music like prog rock ?

Will we just be left with Kylie Minogue and a pile of steaming rubble ?

What do you all think ? ;-)
Why should Ms Minogue snr. be immune? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 09:53
I think I like that last post very much, Dean. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:01
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 
Also, the prog bands will earning more money of playing live than from CDs
Actually, that is a fallacy...

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

  because the tickets will be more and more expensive. 
...and so is that.

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 The tickets were cheap when I was a liitle kid in a middle of 70s, but also in 80s, I remember that the concert tickets of famous British and American bands were very cheap.
Sorry but no. Ticket prices have kept track with rising prices in general, however, the cost of buying music has not. CDs are relatively cheaper now than they were in the 80s and vinyl is relatively cheaper now than it was in the 70s.

Also, for small bands the money you can earn from a gig hasn't changed a great deal (basically it is four-fifths of f*ck all), and for lesser known bands it can even cost you money to play at a larger venue (pay to play).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:01
Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Believe it or not, there's a lot of bands/artists, not only prog but on any genre of music, that have figured out a way to give the music for free, and still make some profit in terms of touring, selling t-shirts, hats, etc, and make a decent profit, not to become rich and wealthy, but to make a decent living.

It's quite a different world out there, compared to the last decades of the 20th century, and adjustment is necessary to survive the e-trade and it's complexities. 

Exactly. That whole world and everything is changed in the last 35-40 years.
It is actually success today that some new prog band make a money for decent living from their music, 'cause for that decent living, whatever it means, the new bands have to earning much more money than the bands in 70s.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:02
I would say that among all music genres, Prog fans are probably among the ones who are still buying more original albums. But yes it surely affects, it's sad that people investing a lot of work in their music can hardly pay the costs and probably some of them will eventually stop making music if they get more pressing priorities in their lives.

On the other hand these new technologies which allow music piracy are also allowing them to create and record their music much more cheaply and to reach to the whole world of potential listeners for a very low cost, something unthinkable 40 years ago when only a deal with a major label could provide you with decent multinational exposure. So I guess one thing goes with the other, it (the technology, not the fact of piracy in itself) has some negative but also some very positive effects.

Having said that, I wonder what is the future of the piracy download sites. With iTunes, Spotify, Bandcamp and other streaming services maybe they will become less meaningful. For some time many musicians or labels forbid their music from being on YT, but now most of them seem to be giving up and you find full album clips from nearly everybody. Also for some time in the past the chase against Napster, eMule etc and the blocking of pirate downloading sites was quite an active subject. I'm not a frequent user but I have the impression that the chase has relaxed a bit in recent years, hasn't it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:02
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

Believe it or not, there's a lot of bands/artists, not only prog but on any genre of music, that have figured out a way to give the music for free, and still make some profit in terms of touring, selling t-shirts, hats, etc, and make a decent profit, not to become rich and wealthy, but to make a decent living.

It's quite a different world out there, compared to the last decades of the 20th century, and adjustment is necessary to survive the e-trade and it's complexities. 

Exactly. That whole world and everything is changed in the last 35-40 years.
It is actually success today that some new prog band make a money for decent living from their music, 'cause for that decent living, whatever it means, the new bands have to earning much more money than the bands in 70s.
Oh dear, that kind of carpet statement is going to need proof to back it up.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:06
Piracy has been around as long as prog - there have been bootlegs available for years and digital piracy has been around for a while as well and it hasn't killed it off so far. Home taping didn't kill music as far as I remember either.

It doesn't help - I know for a fact that prog bands do lose a lot of sales from people uploading CDs and DVDs but I guess it has to be balanced against the number of people who may buy CDs after hearing an illegal download.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:10
Piracy will disappear completely once everyone has been suckered into adopting the "cloud". You won't be able to download anything, you won't own anything, everything will be streamed and everything will be pay-per-listen. Welcome to the world of tomorrow, please form an orderly queue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2014 at 10:13
Maybe bands will react by making music more worthwhile to buy for those people who don't wish to. That's not to say I know how to do it.

And concert sales are still there. Concert tickets are far from free unless you know people, and I don't believe that is much different now than it was in the 70's.
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