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SirPsycho388
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Topic: Jimi Hendrix in Archives? Posted: December 15 2005 at 23:14 |
I really think that the Jimi Hendrix Experience should be in the Archives under Psychedelic/Space Rock. Though they are not really prog as many would define with odd time signatures, mellotrons, and concept albums, they are very different and "progress" to levels that artists today can still not reach. I've been listening to Electric Ladyland and alot of the long psychedelic soundscapes and jams remind me of the space trips of Pink Floyd or even the modern Mars Volta. So why not Hendrix? He was one of the leading contributers in progressing and evolving the electric guitar into a living, breathing entity... and he's one of the fathers of psychedelic and space rock. So again I ask... why not the Jimi Hendrix Experience in the Archives??? Am i crazy for thinking so?
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Don Quito
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 23:23 |
Although Jimi Hendrix had some jazz-rock influences, I still think he is more rhythm and blues - soul music oriented ...
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Drew
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 23:25 |
I say no, but what do I know?
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 23:27 |
No. There is a classic rock genre.
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Ultaigh
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 23:32 |
No, no he shouldn't. He's a great musician, great guitarist, One
of my favorites. He touched on "psychedelic" rock, yes, but he was no
prog artist.
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EL OSO
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Posted: December 15 2005 at 23:51 |
I´ve always thought that Progressive Rock was about going onward, do thing no-one´s ever done and get better, and even though Hendrix, as SirPsycho said, never did anything to do with mellotron or complex time sigatures, he was always creating new sounds and strange techniques, and I´m afraid that if he wouldn´t had died, he would have been the biggest name in the music business.
So I´m afraid he was a progressive artist, who never did symphonic rock or any other kind of this stuff, and maybe that´s why most of the people will never consider him as one.
I really wish he was here in the Archives, along with Bowie. |
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SirPsycho388
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 00:01 |
WOW! EL OSO... i cant believe you agree with me. I thought everyone was gonna shut me down for saying that about Hendrix, but he totally is a progressive artist.
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Andrew Vernon
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 01:09 |
Hendrix is one of my personal gods (sorry xtians) but no.. he's not prog ;) HE IS however, psychedelic.
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Soulman
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 01:15 |
stonebeard wrote:
No. There is a classic rock genre. |
I spit at your label, there's no such thing.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 02:15 |
Soulman wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
No. There is a classic rock genre.
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I spit at your label, there's no such thing.
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I'm with Stonebeard, but if you want something different, he's closer to Blues than to Psychedelia or Prog.
And please don't spit, it's unhealthy and dirty habit. 
El Oso wrote:
I´ve always thought that Progressive Rock was about going onward, do thing no-one´s ever done and get better, and even though Hendrix, as SirPsycho said, never did anything to do with mellotron or complex time sigatures, he was always creating new sounds and strange techniques, and I´m afraid that if he wouldn´t had died, he would have been the biggest name in the music business.
So I´m afraid he was a progressive artist, who never did symphonic rock or any other kind of this stuff, and maybe that´s why most of the people will never consider him as one.
I really wish he was here in the Archives, along with Bowie. |
You're describing an artist that went beyond the boundaries of mainstream, but not a Progressive Rock artist.
Bowie was closer but not enough.
Iván
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PROGMAN
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 04:58 |
Yes artists like Jimi Hendrix are ignored Prog-wise for some reason, don't know why, I mean the 60s is where it all began if it wern't for the Psychedelic/Proto prog bands where would Prog be.
In my eyes proper Psychedelic and Progressive are in the same league.
Jimi Hendrix PROGRESSIVE yes he is, PROG no because PROG was an era in PROGRESSIVE music (1969-1979), otherwise in all it is PROGRESSIVE.
I would like to see Hendrix added for that purpose, plus he is a talented Guitarist/Artist.
That's what I believe PROG is anyway!
1965-1969 - Psychedelia/Proto-Progressive rock era.
1969-1979 - Art Rock/Prog Rock era. (PROG)
1979-1988 - Neo Progreesive rock era.
1988-current - Post Progressive Rock era
in a whole I beleive it fit all into PROGRESSIVE Rock.
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ANDREW
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 09:49 |
He is not psychedelic / space rock. He plays psychedelic blues.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:30 |
If he should be added, I think his 1st album could be proto prog, or maybe prgo related would be better category for his whole discografia...
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Phil
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 11:34 |
My gut instinct says no. He was of course a great, ground breaking musician, but prog/ressive, I don't believe so.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 12:26 |
It's that old chestnut - the difference between progressive music and Progressive Rock.
It's not too hard to get your head around - it's the difference between the bands that are at the very core of Prog Rock (Genesis, Yes, ELP, KC, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Gentle Giant, Gong and Soft Machine) and "straight" rock.
In the late 1960's - early 1970s, there were a plethora of musicians producing very progressive music, Hendrix being among them.
What makes their music so different from Progressive Rock is that they experimented and progressed within a narrow and quite specific field, while Progressive Rock bands experimented in such wide fields that their style of music was immediately identifiable to the band.
Hendrix was a blues virtuoso - the blues were his roots, and his overall style was blues tinged with jazz-style experimentation. Again, this type of experimentation was nothing new - almost everyone in blues was doing this; consider John Mayall's Blues Breakers, and the string of "Progressive Blues" albums released on Decca in the late 1960s.
Jazz-type experimentation was also part of the thrust of psychedelia - which was essentially a mix of folk, blues and jazz.
The focus of Progressive Rock was not so much on the improvisation, although that played an important part; It was more on producing pieces of music that sounded as if they'd been made up or improvised on the spot, but in actual fact were carefully crafted compositions. The idea was not to just jam away and apply new playing techniques, and sonic soundscapes, but to explore all facets of music-writing and production in an attempt to create something new.
The "Classic" prog bands created new approaches to rock often drawing influences from "Classical" music in order to lend creedence to their extravagances, while Hendrix "merely" pushed the boundaries of his chosen style and was always honest and modest about being one of the greatest and most influential guitarists of all time.
...and other stuff... 
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salmacis
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Posted: December 16 2005 at 15:11 |
Again I agree with Certif1ed on this- Hendrix is a clear example of a 'progressive' artist as he created revolutionary music and arguably created 'heavy' rock/metal as we know it in a sense. However, 'progressive rock' as in 'prog'? No way...
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