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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 22:40
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

If one preferred prog to mainstream rock, how would one distinguish between 50 greatest Prog albums and 50 greatest albums?

Even if I prefer prog, there are non prog albums that would be in my top 50 or close - many of them would be folk rock albums not surprisingly. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2015 at 22:50
But this is a greatest Prog album list.  If one liked prog almost exclusively, and made a list of 'Greatest albums', it would mostly be prog.  So how would that list be different from the same person's 'Greatest Prog albums'.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2015 at 01:05
Right , thanks for that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2015 at 01:17
^ Relax, not directed at you.  Didn't notice your post, just wrote a thought.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2015 at 08:37
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

But this is a greatest Prog album list.  If one liked prog almost exclusively, and made a list of 'Greatest albums', it would mostly be prog.  So how would that list be different from the same person's 'Greatest Prog albums'.


I guess there wouldn't be much difference.  You originally phrased it as "if you preferred prog", which is different from saying you like prog almost exclusively
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2015 at 08:43
I need to lie down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2015 at 09:29
I don't agree with everything on the list. Back in the 70's...bands like Crack The Sky and Supertramp were not considered Prog at all. Maybe they were by teenagers between the ages of 15 to 19 in the year of 1978, but the crowd who bought the ELP debut in the early 70's certainly did not. They ...in fact..thought Crack The Sky and Supertramp to be Rock bands...not Progressive Rock bands. Then some kid who was 18 in 1978 probably came up with the opposing theory that bands like this should be categorized as Progressive Rock. This meant that bands like Captain Beyond and Be Bop Deluxe were now progressive ...when the truth was that they were only a portion of the definition in progressive.  So some person rides their chariot and changes history to accommodate the times they grew up in, when the realization was , by then, that Progressive Rock was no longer what it used to be anyway. So they missed the point by creating some false definition for themselves and their own generation. I mean...this is just silly..when most hardcore Progressive Rock fans in the U.S. who were teenagers in  the early 70's knew that the arrival of bands like U.K. meant for sure that the original idea and creation of Prog was now more commercially viable. 


The occasional Progressive Rock underground album would appear in stores in '78...and that was a direct indication to American fans from the early 70's that the Progressive Rock movement was still alive...for example: Roger Glover..ELEMENTS. Or imported underground stuff like Conventum, but nevertheless...Captain Beyond and U.K sounded nothing like Progressive Rock and they were letdown by the commercialism of it. The original definition of Prog , in all of it's elements was changed around the time bands like Curved Air began to incorporate a very slight R&B or Blues sound into their music, unlike Curved Air's Second Album which goes as far to touch a Blues feel on the Ritchie Blackmore level. Basically that equaled putting in a few Blues licks in one song off the album....which was a quirky kind of song and so the intention would not be to combine a Blues or soulful style to a Prog album, but just one particular strange sounding song. 

Gentle Giant were approaching their composition with a sound and style originally created by YES. It began on The Power and the Glory with songs like "Cogs In Cogs" where clearly the vocals were a emulation of what had been done before by Jon Anderson. Later on, Free Hand and Interview featured many bass lines that  were attempted by holding a candle to the great Chris Squire and the emulation of Squire on the later Gentle Giant albums was exacting. "In The Dead Of Night" was played on Rock radio stations and it became , (for a while), another Rock anthem on the east coast. Although obviously U.K. were very progressive musicians and many of the tracks from the debut were progressive sounding, the actual release of that album was to further market Progressive Rock through the media by adding more appealing melodies to please the ROCK CROWD and still adding the obscure ideas often heard in underground Prog of the 70's. So this was the last chance Prog had to float above water internationally, since a percentage of people in this country were displeased with WORKS VOL. I. anyway and the indication that certain Prog bands were already being forced to sound like YES or whatever was putting money into the record company's pocket. Eventually it was pointless to imitate YES because many early 70's Prog fans lost interest in them after GOING FOR THE ONE and a new generation of youths became interested in TORMATO instead. During that time period, TORMATO was the first YES album many kids heard and they had to go back in time out of personal interest, to research this so called praise of the early albums. Although "Roundabout" was internationally known, the idea of gatherings passing around the Close To The Edge album was becoming a thing of the past. It's not the lack of interest in music itself which causes the social environment to change....it's the profit that a rich person wants to make and they do it because they can and they will...so F-you. 


So what they did was approach the Progressive Rock musicians of the early 70's with an idea to spice everything up a bit. "Can't you do a little more of this and that, instead of being obscure progressive like National Health and Gong?" These people are the lowest form of human life. They would tell Dave Stewart that his new music with National Health sounded like something everyone else was doing. Be more commercial was the key. Come up with a phrase for a token to the minds and mentalities of the youth so that we can sell more records. U.K was not exactly commercial as people drastically define commercial today. But in the 70's it was considered commercial and to a degree...toyed with or purposely designed by Jobson and Wetton to be more songwriting oriented, while Holdsworth was along for the ride. Sorry...no sale. I don't agree with the list because they changed history and confused the original definition of Progressive Rock for future generations through their endless marketing process. What it originally meant, was what it meant. Not Supertramp writing a song similar to The Beatles or Procol Harum. I love Supertramp, but...it's not Prog by any means. It crosses into barriers like Elton John and that is stylistically based on a method of songwriting, where upon the idea or process of composing a progressive piece is now on the back burner and replaced with verses. bridge , and chorus. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2015 at 09:31
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2015 at 00:59
It's a good starter set for would be prog rock type fans. Not sure I would worry top much about the rankings. So what if something is Number 8?It's not as though No 23 or number 2 is any better or worse; it's a list not record of sales like yer normal top 40 thing. It's kind of like a 3CD set of Genesis - yes you need the a;lbums, we know that but some people have to start somewhere and there is so much more now than there was so many decades ago.

Anyway it shows Rolling Stone are finally becoming aware of this thing called prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 15:24
No Eloy... Eloy seem to be left out of many lists.  I know they are not everybody's taste, and Frank's voice is often maligned, but their work is priceless.  I return to their work often and that's the sign of a true masterpiece.  

Don't know when I last played DSOTM... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2015 at 15:40
As usual this kind of list intrigues me. How could it EVER be accurate? Based on sales? based on the authors opinion? Based off poll? No matter what we will all forever disagree on what are the greatest Prog albums personally my list would be different. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2015 at 16:48
I think the list is actually pretty good. And it even doesn't change much from Prog Archives top albums list. 6 of the 7 highest ranked albums in the RS are in PA's top 7 albums.  And from the TOP 16 in PA there are 11 in the RS's TOP 15. 
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