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RoeDent 
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 Posted: June 27 2017 at 13:35 |
Prog? No. Progressive? Yes. (No pun intended.)
Now, we need to distinguish between prog and progressive. Prog bands stick to the 70s formula. So bands like The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, The Tangent et al. Progressive bands, by the very word, move along, progress forwards. It's pretty safe to say Radiohead are in that group.
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 14:27 |
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Rick Wakeman says they're prog. Anyone want to argue this with Wakeman?
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Logan
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 14:44 |
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Experimental and progressive. Like David and Roe have said: Prog? No. Progressive? Yes.
That said, I could say that certain music by Radiohead is both progressive and Prog depending on the definition/ parameters.
If this site had stuck to what is classically, or quintessentially Prog then I would find it a much less interesting archive. Additionally, such "what is Prog", "what is progressive" and "is this Prog?" discussion questions almost, sort-of seemingly, rather have seemed the lifeblood of this board despite the fact that such oft repeated questions can be draining to some (but to us vampires...).
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 14:57 |
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I feel much the same Greg. I mostly listen to music under the psych, avant, fusion, kraut, zeuhl and rpi monikers these days - music I wouldn't describe as prog yet still feel belong on PA. Then again things would be a lot easier to navigate through if the site had stuck with classic prog.
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Logan
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 16:11 |
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True, David. Incidentally, I would like to see much more progressive music covered, but would want changes in design and added features to make finding music that might be of interest easier. I'm glad that we expanded from classic Prog, and wish that the design/ layouts/ features were more progressive and less retro. The site's appearance and functionality has not changed very much since I joined... Well, of course we have had accessibility problems for what is left of the humans (not sure if the robots have been inconvenienced, but Ok computer, whatever) -- that's progress for you, robots and AI are the future, but I won't let that drive me round the Bends. But I digress.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: June 27 2017 at 16:27 |
 RoeDent wrote:
Prog? No. Progressive? Yes. (No pun intended.)
Now, we need to distinguish between prog and progressive. Prog bands stick to the 70s formula. So bands like The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, The Tangent et al. Progressive bands, by the very word, move along, progress forwards. It's pretty safe to say Radiohead are in that group. |
If this site was just these types of bands I wouldn't be here.
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mlkpad14
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 07:13 |
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I don't understand why the band is so controversial. I think they are awesome, and very prog indeed.
But, this is Prog Archives... Isn't it?
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Lewian
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 08:23 |
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Good band, I'm happy they're here. Do I think they're prog? I don't care.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 08:41 |
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I am generally a 'non-fan' when it comes to this 'alt-rock' sensation. HOWEVER, I bought the dbl 10" edition of Kid A. I like it a lot. It's great, I can see / hear / understand wh they are loved and considered Progressive. But am I sold - no. Do I think they are up there with the others considered as Prog ?? Not really. If Radiohead have any links with Prog, then so do Anthrax. Apologies, but this is how I see it.......(and Anthrax are more prog to me, or at least, related, than Metallica. Anyway, I'm off to bed coz I clearly have had too much to drink......
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 08:51 |
RoeDent wrote:
Prog? No. Progressive? Yes. (No pun intended.)
Now, we need to distinguish between prog and progressive. Prog bands stick to the 70s formula. So bands like The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, The Tangent et al. Progressive bands, by the very word, move along, progress forwards. It's pretty safe to say Radiohead are in that group. |
It's ironic then that prog bands are in no way progressive, but arguably little more than tribute acts for a bygone age, following that logic. 'Prog' bands were progressive at the time, because they were 'progressing' beyond existing forms of rock music, which is what the likes of Radiohead are doing now, sooo, by definition Radiohead are actually a real prog band. IMO. They are where true progressive rock is now (and has been for the last 20+ years)Purists may not like that, but I think that is the reality.
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Upbeat Tango Monday
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 11:26 |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: prog rock is a music genre. It has nothing to do with following a timeline. Britney is not proggier than Yes.
"It's 2017, so every new fad is prog and everything from the 70's is old" It doesn't work like that.
Even the real meaning of progress has nothing to do with timelines. If you think it does, then the Iranian Revolution of 1979 and the rise of religious extremism means progress.
The rehash of the old "panem et circenses" and the rise of big govt. worshippers is no progress either (it tosses away the gathered knowledge in both politics and economics of the last five thousand years).
You can move forward in time while regressing, and the fourth world war might be fought with sticks and stones.
Progress doesn't follow a straight line and it's not constant.
Let's suppose Radiohead recorded their albums back in the 70's and Yes and Genesis released Fragile and Foxtrot today...now you can see progress, can't you? But I digress...
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 11:37 |
Blacksword wrote:
RoeDent wrote:
Prog? No. Progressive? Yes. (No pun intended.)
Now, we need to distinguish between prog and progressive. Prog bands stick to the 70s formula. So bands like The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, The Tangent et al. Progressive bands, by the very word, move along, progress forwards. It's pretty safe to say Radiohead are in that group. |
It's ironic then that prog bands are in no way progressive, but arguably little more than tribute acts for a bygone age, following that logic. 'Prog' bands were progressive at the time, because they were 'progressing' beyond existing forms of rock music, which is what the likes of Radiohead are doing now, sooo, by definition Radiohead are actually a real prog band. IMO.
They are where true progressive rock is now (and has been for the last 20+ years)Purists may not like that, but I think that is the reality.
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I often think along the same lines tbh. If prog rock had to do with the actual music (it did in the beginning though!) then it would've been what we nowadays call post-punk outfits who'd been dubbed prog rock. It was at the time a movement that progressed rock - experimented with the format - just like the early proggers did. Prog has since the late 70s basically turned into a genre of music defined by many of the things we herald as wonderful here on PA ie mellotrons, odd time signatures, fusing rock with classical/folk/etc and so forth. It is very little new prog that actually is progressive, but then again that goes for all music genres - at least the ones that are over 30 years old. The question though is whether or not the music is good - not how progressive it is.
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Evolver
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 12:33 |
Do I think they are prog? no Do I like them? no Does it bother me that they are listed here? no
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geekfreak
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Posted: June 29 2017 at 23:38 |
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Yes Yes Yes Hmmmm YES!!!!
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: June 30 2017 at 01:05 |
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Great band whatever you want to call them.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 30 2017 at 03:34 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
RoeDent wrote:
Prog? No. Progressive? Yes. (No pun intended.)
Now, we need to distinguish between prog and progressive. Prog bands stick to the 70s formula. So bands like The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, The Tangent et al. Progressive bands, by the very word, move along, progress forwards. It's pretty safe to say Radiohead are in that group. |
It's ironic then that prog bands are in no way progressive, but arguably little more than tribute acts for a bygone age, following that logic. 'Prog' bands were progressive at the time, because they were 'progressing' beyond existing forms of rock music, which is what the likes of Radiohead are doing now, sooo, by definition Radiohead are actually a real prog band. IMO.
They are where true progressive rock is now (and has been for the last 20+ years)Purists may not like that, but I think that is the reality.
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I often think along the same lines tbh. If prog rock had to do with the actual music (it did in the beginning though!) then it would've been what we nowadays call post-punk outfits who'd been dubbed prog rock. It was at the time a movement that progressed rock - experimented with the format - just like the early proggers did.
Prog has since the late 70s basically turned into a genre of music defined by many of the things we herald as wonderful here on PA ie mellotrons, odd time signatures, fusing rock with classical/folk/etc and so forth. It is very little new prog that actually is progressive, but then again that goes for all music genres - at least the ones that are over 30 years old.
The question though is whether or not the music is good - not how progressive it is. |
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