North Korea

What do you reckon...

With the FBI sniffing around the Whitehouse is Trump merely seeking to distract the media and public from his alleged shenanegans re; Russian engageent prior to the election, or is he seriously seeking a war to cock his leg, and mark out his territory in the history books with an actual war?

Absolutely. What could possibly go wrong?

Syria's going really well. NATO have moved their chess pieces into place in the Baltics. The Doomsday clock is at 2.5 mins to midnight, and the Russians are lookign on thinking "What the actual f**k?!" and there's a senile clown in the Whitehouse as desperate to cling on to power as Kim Jong Un.

Things can only get better.

Trump smash!

More c**k waving in both directions

I am of the belief that Kim Jong-un is all bluster and loves shiny things, like any fat adolescent who would not normally be able to get a date. Would it really behoove this tin-horn dictator to be annihilated by atom bombs? He ramps up the rhetoric in order to get attention, and in lulls between he shoots his relatives and disobedient generals with field cannon.

Edited by The Dark Elf - August 21 2017 at 12:42

Sean Trane wrote: just two trisomic  31 (yup, the beat easily the Tr21) idiots trying to have the bigger dick and piss the furthest...   It's blow over... (as soon as Trump is gone)   At worse, China will organize a coup in NK. (with our blessing or at least post-approval)     Blacksword wrote: Absolutely. What could possibly go wrong? Syria's going really well. NATO have moved their chess pieces into place in the Baltics. The Doomsday clock is at 2.5 mins to midnight, and the Russians are lookign on thinking "What the actual f**k?!" and there's a senile clown in the Whitehouse as desperate to cling on to power as Kim Jong Un. Things can only get better.   mmmhh!!!...   I can see DT actually saying "f**k this Prez sh*t". He doesn't sound like he's interested in a second term

Possibily not, but I'm sure he'll want some kind of legacy, and the first president to actually deal with NK could be an atractive legacy for him.

In atempting to 'deal' with NK, Bill Clinton actually nudged them further down the road to developing nuclear weapons, when he sold them a reactor, albeit a type from which the nuclear byproducts couldn't be used direcly for weapons grade material. Bush did nothing at all. Obama held a few more 'cock waving' military drills with the south, but Trump could be the one that actually pushes the button!

There are no options except accept, in the long run, NK as a nuclear state. That's it. Kim Jong Un will have achieved his only real goal (staying in power, he's no insane lunatic as commonly believed). He's not after world conquest or ideology spread (how can you spread Juche to non-Koreans anyway). The US will have to accept it and just keep vigilant. 

It seems to me Kim is seeking a war. All his actions and rhetoric since the election of Trump have been unmotivated to the best of my knowledge. I can't figure anything on the US side that brought any of this on. North Korea wasn't ever on Trump's radar screen prior to taking office to the best of my knowledge. Does anyone know of anything North Korea had cause to fear from a Trump Presidency prior to taking office? Even Trump's harsh rhetoric has been merely responsive and tit for tat. None of it was diplomatically wise like everything else Trump puts into words, but it was all response to prior unmotivated North Korean action, as far as I can tell. Nothing has been initiated on the US side other regular annual military drills with allies. If anybody knows otherwise, let me know. I'd like to know. I understand that a North Korean myth they tell their military is that prosperity will come once they've defeated the U.S. That doesn't sound much like they're going to settle down once they have their nukes.   Unfortunately I think harsh economic sanctions are simply going to strengthen that myth and the resolve of NK and Kim Jong Un to take everything the whole way. I'm more pessimistic than those who think Kim's got or is getting nukes, and has therefore attained what he has aimed for. I think it goes beyond that. I'm very happy to be persuaded otherwise, though.






Edited by HackettFan - September 04 2017 at 16:01

HackettFan wrote: It seems to me Kim is seeking a war. All his actions and rhetoric since the election of Trump have been unmotivated to the best of my knowledge. I can't figure anything on the US side that brought any of this on. North Korea wasn't ever on Trump's radar screen prior to taking office to the best of my knowledge. Does anyone know of anything North Korea had cause to fear from a Trump Presidency prior to taking office? Even Trump's harsh rhetoric has been merely responsive and tit for tat. None of it was diplomatically wise like everything else Trump puts into words, but it was all response to prior unmotivated North Korean action, as far as I can tell. Nothing has been initiated on the US side other regular annual military drills with allies. If anybody knows otherwise, let me know. I'd like to know. I understand that a North Korean myth they tell their military is that prosperity will come once they've defeated the U.S. That doesn't sound much like they're going to settle down once they have their nukes.   Unfortunately I think harsh economic sanctions are simply going to strengthen that myth and the resolve of NK and Kim Jong Un to take everything the whole way. I'm more pessimistic than those who think Kim's got or is getting nukes, and has therefore attained what he has aimed for. I think it goes beyond that. I'm very happy to be persuaded otherwise, though.

I think it unlikely he is seeking war, unless he is actually insane, but there's no actual evidence of that.

If he does want war, it would be presumably because he is banking on China and Russia getting involved and wiping out all the enemies of NK; a kind of "If we're going down, we'll make sure everyone else goes down with us" approach, but I think it more likely he just wants to be left alone, and after observing what happened to Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein he probably believes the best way to ensure he is left alone is to have nuclear weapons. They didn't and look what happened.

hah... you know the world according to Trump has really gone off the rails when Steven Bannon and Vlad Putin are the adults in the room.