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Yeah...the argument continues on what is proggy and what ain't.
I see both bands as 'folk rock'  with prog elements mixed in.....so again I fail to see why Pentangle is on the PA list  as well as some others and Fairport isn't. 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Yeah...the argument continues on what is proggy and what ain't.
I see both bands as 'folk rock'  with prog elements mixed in.....so again I fail to see why Pentangle is on the PA list  as well as some others and Fairport isn't. 


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Yeah...the argument continues on what is proggy and what ain't.
I see both bands as 'folk rock'  with prog elements mixed in.....so again I fail to see why Pentangle is on the PA list  as well as some others and Fairport isn't. 


as some (not just me) said, Pentanle's brilliant arrangements and time sigs and their (then-)revolutionary mix of jazz, blues and folk made them "Rock". A bit like Oregon, if the JR/F team hadn't (rightly) snatched it away from us. In other words (and IMHO), Pentangle was boxing in a superior category than Fairpost was.
Pentangle was a supergroup, with four very experimented musicians (only McShee wasc a relative unknown) in 68, and the apparent mainstreamness (on the surface) is precisely what made them great, if not fantastic, while Fairport seemed like electric folker practicing in their basement or garage. Again, not to demean Fairport, coz I liked them.
BTW, I recently saw a rare film of Glastonbury Fayre 72 (second or third edition, I believe) and Fairport's 15 minutes more or less resumed them as a loud stomping ground electric folk band (though the public loved them to bits) much like Lindisfarne was, but they appeared not very proggy, next to Traffic, Family and AB's Kingdom Come.

Dr, you're welcome to participate on the Genre team thread discussion that Ken & I (and hopefully Clem) are having if you're really feeling strong about Fairport's promotion to PF (I'm not impermeable to the subject).Hug





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indeed Doc...  join/participate with the genre teams...  there is a real education to be had there.
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I would have thought that at very least, Babbacombe Lee would have made that step over from more traditional folk-rock into more prog territory- a concept piece running over both sides of an lp with recurring themes etc and Dave Swarbricks more adventurous fiddle playing and composing to the fore. Also the guitar and composition elements of Richard Thompson's (who is someone who has NEVER sat on his laurels in terms of the scope of the music he makes) involvement over the years must count for something?  I do agree that Pentangle's web of influences and the background of the musicians is more dense and varied and that makes for something new rather than modern reinterpretations of traditional songs and west-coast lite of  some early Fairport material.

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Yeah...the argument continues on what is proggy and what ain't.
I see both bands as 'folk rock'  with prog elements mixed in.....so again I fail to see why Pentangle is on the PA list  as well as some others and Fairport isn't. 


as some (not just me) said, Pentanle's brilliant arrangements and time sigs and their (then-)revolutionary mix of jazz, blues and folk made them "Rock". A bit like Oregon, if the JR/F team hadn't (rightly) snatched it away from us. In other words (and IMHO), Pentangle was boxing in a superior category than Fairpost was.
Pentangle was a supergroup, with four very experimented musicians (only McShee wasc a relative unknown) in 68, and the apparent mainstreamness (on the surface) is precisely what made them great, if not fantastic, while Fairport seemed like electric folker practicing in their basement or garage. Again, not to demean Fairport, coz I liked them.
BTW, I recently saw a rare film of Glastonbury Fayre 72 (second or third edition, I believe) and Fairport's 15 minutes more or less resumed them as a loud stomping ground electric folk band (though the public loved them to bits) much like Lindisfarne was, but they appeared not very proggy, next to Traffic, Family and AB's Kingdom Come.

Dr, you're welcome to participate on the Genre team thread discussion that Ken & I (and hopefully Clem) are having if you're really feeling strong about Fairport's promotion to PF (I'm not impermeable to the subject).Hug



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Clannad has been a MAJOR find for me! I've recently meditated to Magical Ring and Banba, both were ridiculously good. I got so deep during "I Will Find You." 

They are now my go to band and probably will be for the foreseeable future. 
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Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Clannad has been a MAJOR find for me! I've recently meditated to Magical Ring and Banba, both were ridiculously good. I got so deep during "I Will Find You." 

They are now my go to band and probably will be for the foreseeable future. 

try Fuaim too, and even Cran Ull

Also Dulaman, though I doubt you will meditate to it.  As Clannad goes it's somewhat more insistent


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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by YESESIS YESESIS wrote:

Clannad has been a MAJOR find for me! I've recently meditated to Magical Ring and Banba, both were ridiculously good. I got so deep during "I Will Find You." 

They are now my go to band and probably will be for the foreseeable future. 

try Fuaim too, and even Cran Ull

Also Dulaman, though I doubt you will meditate to it.  As Clannad goes it's somewhat more insistent
 

Just meditated to Fuaim, you were right it was really good. Started out like it wasn't going to be, but a few tracks in and.. wow. 

I'll have to listen to those other two sometime soon now. Thanks for the suggestions! 
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