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    Posted: April 14 2023 at 13:08
In this interview, the Italian journalist Diego Bianchi talks with Ken Loach about various topics: the future of the working class and the Left, strikes in France, migrants and Brexit, the situation of the Palestinians, the war in Ukraine.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2023 at 15:33
I love Ken Loach... I've seen just about all of his films.
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The man in the video has a clear view of reality.  His words brings to mind:  

Biden's biggest mistake?  Freezing billions of Russian dollars. The rest of the world said, "If USA did that to Russia...they'll do it to us. " Why is it a HUGE mistake?  Because the world's reaction will erode the dollar as other currencies replace the Dollar in World trade.  America will face an Tsunami inflation wave.   The only reason that America can run 800 military bases around the world is because the Dollar is the World currency. Biden (and his handlers) lit the fuse that will end American empire.  What has happened since America froze 350 billion dollars of Russia Money?

In the year since then...BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) have been sweeping up new members left and right.  China brokered peace deal between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Saudi Arabia will be accepting other currencies besides dollars for oil. No more dollar.  China and Brazil signed deal to trade in their own currencies. No more dollar. China and Russia signed deal to trade in their own currencies.  No more dollar.  India buys as much Russian oil as Russia can sell them. No more dollar.  

 Most of Africa, South America, Middle East, and Asia are applying to join BRICS.   Even Mexico is applying to join BRICS.  Russia selling more oil than before Ukraine war.  Japan started buying Russian energy.  Hungary wants to buy Russian oil.  

What will happen?  America's unipolar world control will fracture into a multipolar world.  On one side- America, Canada, South Korea, Australia, Columbia, Most of Europe.  On the other side?  Everybody Else. 

This week France's leader Macron said, a self-reliant EU is better than one dependent on America.  Macron said that maybe Europe shouldn't interfere in Taiwan.  Bottom line.  Countries world over are flexing their muscles and America does not like it. 

Back to the video:  Perhaps a crumbling dollar and a multipolar world will give this gentleman's socialist vision a boost?  Time will tell. 




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On what basis are you claiming there are no other socialists anymore?

Other than that, thanks for posting!
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last great director.. (i'll add aki kaurismaki and mike leigh)
https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 15 2023 at 06:40
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

On what basis are you claiming there are no other socialists anymore?

Other than that, thanks for posting!

Well, I see him as a hero.

In Italy, as Diego Bianchi says, we [the leftists] always say we've lost, we've been defeated, instead Ken Loach argues that we've not lost yet, that we can still win the battle against capital... what a hero!
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Sorry just mentioning some of my favourite films of his rather than the video, although I have read interviews of him before... I find the state of the world so depressing I have come to largely ignore it. Ignorance is bliss, especially when one is one of the more privileged and one has the luxury of being able to ignore so much. Kes, Poor Cow, Riff Raff, Land and freedom, Bread and Roses are some of my faves of his. I went through a Loach phase at one time, as well as Mike Leigh. I'm not as cineliterate, or literate period, as I used to be.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Sorry just mentioning some of my favourite films of his rather than the video, although I have read interviews of him before... I find the state of the world so depressing I have come to largely ignore it. Ignorance is bliss, especially when one is one of the more privileged and one has the luxury of being able to ignore so much. Kes, Poor Cow, Riff Raff, Land and freedom, Bread and Roses are some of my faves of his. I went through a Loach phase at one time, as well as Mike Leigh. I'm not as cineliterate, or literate period, as I used to be.

Greg, please, watch the interview! I'd like to know your point of view about it.
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^ Okay, I will at some time. I listened to a bit now, and these are topics that have been of particular interest to me, and that, depending on the person I've listened to or discussed such things with, have also been quite infuriating (very annoying) to me. I have found discussing politics/ societal issues online has often not been a rewarding experience because it has too often devolved to insulting, condescending and even in some cases threatening behavior (I seem to like friendly and rather inane, at least from me, banter best).
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He makes some good points, such as how cross-country cooperation is a prerequisite for fighting back against neoliberalism and inequality, and how racism and other types of paranoid fear are cynically employed and propagated by right-wing politicians and people with vested interests in preserving the capitalist structure to divide the working class. I think his explanation of left-wing parties losing elections because they are social-democrats and not socialists is way too easy though: that certainly wasn't the case with Corbyn in 2019, and if it were the whole story in countries such as Italy and the Netherlands then the social-democratic parties that have lost so much support there should have been trumped by parties that lean further left, not the far-right populists we see everywhere now. I would have liked to see him acknowledge that the racist and reactionary narratives of these swindlers is winning out over traditional class-based narratives and what socialists need to do combat this development without resorting to the same kind of dirty exclusionism. It also baffles me how his comment about cross-country workers' cooperation happens within the same breath of his dismissive comments on the European Union, which historically has been used as a tool to force austerity measures on certain countries but in the end is just that: a tool to be used by whichever political force is in control of it. Without it we Europeans would just be back to meaningless competition and trade wars with each other without being able to make a collective fist against the giant corporations that pillage our planet.

His comments on the Ukrainian war I find the most disagreeable and frankly a little offensive in their dismissal of agency on the part of the people of Ukraine and other West-facing nations on Russia's frontier. To say that these were convinced to join NATO by some outside power who wanted access to their markets while saying nothing of the security concerns (proven very legitimate by now) of these countries, traumatized as they are after at least a half-century of Russian imperialist domination, is way too narrow, as is the assertion that Ukrainians are pushed forward to fight the West's battles for us without mentioning Ukrainians' willingness to defend their country or the fact that the war crimes committed by Russia's army behind the front lines don't exactly paint a rosy picture of post-war life in any Ukrainian territory left in Russian control.

As an aside... I really hate this video editing style where conversations or even individual sentences aren't allowed to flow naturally and every small moment of silence is cut out. It's pretty sad how people apparently have to resort to that in order to keep their audience's attention.
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Originally posted by Mirakaze Mirakaze wrote:

He makes some good points, such as how cross-country cooperation is a prerequisite for fighting back against neoliberalism and inequality, and how racism and other types of paranoid fear are cynically employed and propagated by right-wing politicians and people with vested interests in preserving the capitalist structure to divide the working class. I think his explanation of left-wing parties losing elections because they are social-democrats and not socialists is way too easy though: that certainly wasn't the case with Corbyn in 2019, and if it were the whole story in countries such as Italy and the Netherlands then the social-democratic parties that have lost so much support there should have been trumped by parties that lean further left, not the far-right populists we see everywhere now. I would have liked to see him acknowledge that the racist and reactionary narratives of these swindlers is winning out over traditional class-based narratives and what socialists need to do combat this development without resorting to the same kind of dirty exclusionism. It also baffles me how his comment about cross-country workers' cooperation happens within the same breath of his dismissive comments on the European Union, which historically has been used as a tool to force austerity measures on certain countries but in the end is just that: a tool to be used by whichever political force is in control of it. Without it we Europeans would just be back to meaningless competition and trade wars with each other without being able to make a collective fist against the giant corporations that pillage our planet.

His comments on the Ukrainian war I find the most disagreeable and frankly a little offensive in their dismissal of agency on the part of the people of Ukraine and other West-facing nations on Russia's frontier. To say that these were convinced to join NATO by some outside power who wanted access to their markets while saying nothing of the security concerns (proven very legitimate by now) of these countries, traumatized as they are after at least a half-century of Russian imperialist domination, is way too narrow, as is the assertion that Ukrainians are pushed forward to fight the West's battles for us without mentioning Ukrainians' willingness to defend their country or the fact that the war crimes committed by Russia's army behind the front lines don't exactly paint a rosy picture of post-war life in any Ukrainian territory left in Russian control.

As an aside... I really hate this video editing style where conversations or even individual sentences aren't allowed to flow naturally and every small moment of silence is cut out. It's pretty sad how people apparently have to resort to that in order to keep their audience's attention.

It is clear that Ken Loach's views can be shared or not, depending on one's political views.

The interruptions in the interview are due to the fact that I found the link to its airing during a television broadcast. It is not easy to air a 20-minute interview without a single interruption. Then, at the end, when Loach spoke about the Palestinians, the host and interviewer Diego Bianchi stopped the interview because he wanted to mention that in the meantime, the terrorist attack in Tel Aviv took place, where an Italian tourist died.


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