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Poll Question: Pick your three favorites, and let us know which ones!
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
31 [20.67%]
8 [5.33%]
22 [14.67%]
2 [1.33%]
10 [6.67%]
9 [6.00%]
8 [5.33%]
1 [0.67%]
5 [3.33%]
5 [3.33%]
7 [4.67%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [1.33%]
6 [4.00%]
0 [0.00%]
4 [2.67%]
0 [0.00%]
11 [7.33%]
1 [0.67%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [0.67%]
4 [2.67%]
12 [8.00%]
1 [0.67%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2023 at 04:40
Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Even the weakest of the three Art Bears albums gets my vote.  That Art Zoyd album is a re-recording of their 76 debut.
Yes I know both, and own this version. I include archival releases and re-recodings/alternative versions as long as it's seen as an officional, original studio release.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2023 at 13:19
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Some seem to think that the early 1980's were awful years for prog, but think it's packed with great albums. As someone who also love synthpop, new wave and all that stuff - it's an exceptional period for music in general. For me this poll is just as packed with classics as any year in the 1970's. Well, almost.

I know I post a lot of RYM* this and RYM that. But while PA has by far my preferred forum for music discussion, I find RYM superior in almost every other aspect. Such as:

-Album genres instead of one genre to represent a band or an artist's whole career is obviously more useful, correct and informative.
-Their algorithms seem to better reflect an albums actual (relative) populariy.
-I like to rate using half stars (which basically is a 1-10 ratingsystem) 
-and that everyone's opinion while rating or reviewing is worth the exact same
-Their charts are easier to make use of and appear to make more logical sense...
-Plus I just seem to find an "all music" site's tastes in prog, more agreeable than the tastes in prog on a progsite.
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Btw: Univers Zero - Ceux Du Dehors is listed as a 1982 album on RYM (where it would be fifth in a similar chart/list for that year). Appearently the record was finished in January 1981, but not actually released until the 30th of January the year after.

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As I've already said, I dont consider RYM's rankings valid in any way. Every time I read one, I feel like crying. One reason, you say it yourself: their charts reflect the popularity of the records (or bands), not their quality, and the two things are often inversely proportional. I say often, not always, sometimes you can make very good records with great sales.

I could make a list of other reasons why I consider RYM's charts not useful, but I don't want to bore you.

I consider the site much interesting for how it ranks records, in this matter it's surely better than Progarchives.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2023 at 13:21
I dont know many records of this ranking:

-SBB
This Heat - Deceit
- Eros
-YMO
- Kultivator
- Oingo Boingo
- Eider Stellaire
Michael Stearns
Roedelius (Hans-Joachim) 

That said, How can I give my contribution?

Now I try.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 24 2023 at 22:26
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

I could make a list of other reasons why I consider RYM's charts not useful, but I don't want to bore you.
Thank you, but I'm afraid that's too late. Edit: Sorry. That was unnecessarily rude.

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:


As I've already said, I dont consider RYM's rankings valid in any way. Every time I read one, I feel like crying. One reason, you say it yourself: their charts reflect the popularity of the records (or bands), not their quality, and the two things are often inversely proportional. I say often, not always, sometimes you can make very good records with great sales.
I'm the opposite. This list represent the tastes and preferences of internet's biggest music (geek) community. That's exactly why I find it to be interesting. Regardless of what I think about the albums or artists that are on it. It's validity lies in the collected data from thousands of people who are deeply into music. You don't have to like it. But you don't get to decide whether the result is valid or not. It is what it is.

-And you're wrong: RYM's most popular albums obviously shows that the community is A LOT more concerned with quality over sales. Come on, just take another look at the artists and titles in the poll. There's maybe four or five albums there that was anywhere near a sales chart at the year of it's release. The lion's share of these went under most everyone's radar 42 years ago. They've been rediscovered because of places such as PA and RYM. Music sites like these are a true blessing for forgotten and overlooked music that has proven to have a lasting quality. The fact that I find these charts better than any specialist/music journalist list, doesn't make me want to cry. It makes me smile. Amateur music lovers combined tastes' comes up with something both better and more open minded than Pitchfork, Prog Magazine, Allmusic, The Rolling Stone Magazine etc... All of them. Every time. That's wonderful. We don't need "professionals" to guide us anymore. We're better off without them. I also find RYM's general top 100 Progressive albums of a higher quality than your own attemnt here last year - or maybe two years ago. I don't find your subjective interpretation of what is quality very agreeable or convincing. Among other things you are too heavily colored by your political views and your nationality.
Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

I consider the site much interesting for how it ranks records, in this matter it's surely better than Progarchives.
But still you feel like crying?



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Surprised King Crimson is winning over Rush

anyway... Rush!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2023 at 07:29
anyone of these:

King Crimson - Discipline  

Los Jaivas - Alturas de Machu Pichu

Eskaton - 4 Visions

Eros – Dün

Kultivator - Barndomens Stigar

Eider Stellaire - Eider Stellaire

Art Zoyd - Symphonie pour le jour oů brűleront les cités


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2023 at 08:23
Rush, Eloy, KC (although I much prefer Lizard!)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2023 at 16:14
Can't remember who or what I voted for, but it could've been one of these:
Discipline
4 Visions
Memento z banalnym tryptykiem
As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls
Fourth World Possible Musics, Vol. II: Dream Theory in Malay

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hiram Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2023 at 22:01
1. King Crimson - Discipline
2. Rush - Moving Pictures

followed by This Heat, Kraftwerk and Roedelius. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote socrates17 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2023 at 22:58
My 3:
King Crimson - Discipline
This Heat - Deceit
Art Zoyd - Symphonie pour le jour....
If allowed more, I'd have gone with Art Bears & Los Jaivas.
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