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FragileDT

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 12:30

Genesis is by no means overrrated. If anything, Genesis is underrated
IMO. I think it's absurd to rate Yes (as yes won the polls) over Genesis
(and I am also a moderate Yes fan.) Read the Genesis Discography by
Scott MacMahon I believe. It will show you why Genesis was the most
intelligent band in the rock genre (yes progressive rock, is generally in
the "rock" genre) and I tend to agree with the majority of what is written
in the discography. Genesis' songs (with Gabriel) were beyond intelligent.
Everything was always put there for a reason. There was never any flaws
in the music they released with Gabriel IMO (with the exception of "More
Fool Me" IMO.) Everything else was well planned out, the music and
emotion of the music reflected the lyrics and the emotion that the lyrics
were heading towards. Gabriel's voice was used like no other where he
played the part or role that was supposed to be heard in the song. He
didn't just play the role of a normal singer. I can go on forever but I think
you get the point on where I stand...

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 13:30

Mategra wrote:

No, Genesis is not overrated...

They have always had a unique sound that many have tried to copy (but very few have succeeded).
In their prime they released an unbroken chain of five excellent albums (or Master-pieces if you like) - Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, SEBTP, TLLDOB, ATOTT.
Many of their albums (Duke, Abacab, Three Sides Live, Genesis... ...The Way We Walk - the Longs, Calling All Stations, Archive # 2) are very underrated and unfairly trashed (it seems like some people tend to trash those albums without even listening to them properly!).

Amen....

Charles

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 15:42

I would say they are most definitely are NOT overrated- I don't see how that's at all possible to overrate Genesis, as they are one of the biggest bands of the genre, yet musically, lyrically and vocally are still tremendously innovative.

I'd find it very hard to find anything in prog that I love more than the simply beautiful instrumental section in 'Ripples' (if THAT doesn't move you, I don't know what will), or the deliriously brilliant solo parts in 'The Cinema Show', 'Apocalypse In 9/8', 'Seven Stones', 'In The Cage', 'Robbery Assault and Battery', or the superbly sung 'The Knife', 'Timetable', 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight'..the list is endless. Genesis will always be my favourite band of all time, regardless of genre...

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 15:46

How could you even possibly consider one of the greatest prog bands ever "overrated"?

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:44

My fave opening is "the thing about," so here goes.

The thing about Genesis is, they have the best SONGS and SONG-ORIENTED STYLE in prog. Other proggers are more jammy or atmospheric, Genesis is a firmly structured song band. That's why they're so great. Partly. Plus, they're folky without being prog-folk.

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:46

Harold Dupont wrote:

Hi all of you prog fans! I don't wanna do like those people who say that X group is crap, but I want your opinions about Genesis... Personnaly, I've listened plenty of times to Nursery Crime, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound, and I do appreciate them... But, comparing to innovative Crimson, ELP, Zappa, Yes, Gentle Giant and Floyd, to mention only them, I think that Genesis didn't explore that much musically and conceptually... But I'm open to suggestions... Submit your opinions, peops

I agree completly!! And very well said as well. I agree with others comments that they are very innovative and the lyrics are excellent and they are technically all superb musicians.

So that said why dont I rate em?

1. I can't stand Peter Gabriels voice - I'm sorry to all the fans out there but his droning whinning voice really gets me. I much prefer singers like Jon and Ian Anderson, The guy from Mars Volta, Gilmour and even Roger does a great job despice an incapacity for sining in tune.

2. Musically Too happy - everything is soo lalala happy flowers (you know what i mean) often despite the topic of the lyrics. Makes it hard for me to really take the music seriously

3. Album Covers - I don't know who designed them but I wouldnt hire him. the other classic prog rock bands had much better covers Yes, Floyd, KC (ITC esp)

So I'm once again sorry to all of you but Genesis is just not my cup to tea.

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Posted: November 14 2005 at 21:54

I do NOT think Genesis is at all overated.

There was some kind of magic in their music that I feel when i listen to it. (I am just talking about the Peter Gabriel era). There are only a few albums that are as perfect as the albums Genesis made.

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Posted: November 15 2005 at 08:25

I agree with fender101

the truth is that they are overated, they only made one 5 star worthy album and thats The Lamb lies down on brooadway. And that album have no "lalala happy flowers"

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Posted: November 15 2005 at 09:04

fender101 wrote:

I agree completly!! And very well said as well. I agree with others comments that they are very innovative and the lyrics are excellent and they are technically all superb musicians.

So that said why dont I rate em?

2. Musically Too happy - everything is soo lalala happy flowers (you know what i mean) often despite the topic of the lyrics. Makes it hard for me to really take the music seriously

3. Album Covers - I don't know who designed them but I wouldnt hire him. the other classic prog rock bands had much better covers Yes, Floyd, KC (ITC esp)

So I'm once again sorry to all of you but Genesis is just not my cup to tea.

Genesis music too happy? I read a quote from a few of their peers...

Jon Anderson- Genesis always seemed uptight, very serious...

Chris Squire- A Trick of A Tail not only was his favorite album by Genesis, but he also said that the band seemed much happier...

Ian Anderson- Genesis was a rather uptight bunch and their music always seemed too serious for me...

Bryan Ferry-purposely did not want Roxy Music to look or sound like Genesis, because they seemed too serious...

I am not making this up, I will try to find the exact quotes to further back up my statements...

Should you listen to Genesis' lyrics, you will see just how serious their music was...

I rather look at Genesis album cover's than the King Crimson stuff...

Charles

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Posted: November 15 2005 at 12:59

Charles wrote: