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    Posted: July 12 2006 at 22:09
Not sure if this song should be called "progressive rock" or not! It's not listed as such on any lists, but I see some qualities which appeal to me. First off, Green Day uses Glockenspiel on this song; that's pretty unconventional for regular rock. Secondly, the lyrics change; there is no common chorus or refrain. The tempo changes at least once, from 4/4 to 3/4, and moves from A major to minor within the song.

Since it progresses, would you consider this song by a normally punk band to be a prog rock song?! :O!
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Not on your nelly.  Sorry!
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no. Prog is not just about one tempo change, a major to minor and no chorus. If you think this is prog, you need to listen to more prog!

Oh yeah, and a great deal of prog doesn't "progress" at all.

If they had 3 or 4 tempo changes and complex structures as well as emotion and dynamics, maybe then I might consider it prog.
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Points: 350 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 12 2006 at 22:18
Interesting..... what I consider one thing is absolutely refuted by everyone else. I find it silly that there's a set definition of what "progressive" is; isn't it supposed to just change, and not require a certain amount of change?
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Does it really matter?

 
Just listen to the music.
 
 
 
The rest is just bullsh*t.
 
 
 
 
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Green Day did hardly any experimentation on that entire album (American Idiot), and in my opinion, not even that song experiments, or progresses if you will. Green Day really just boils down to easily digestable pop. I give them credit, however, for at least trying something slightly different on Jesus of Suburbia.
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Actually, it really is B.S. Everything's personal opinion :P.

However, when I listen to "Jesus of Suburbia" (I just heard it for the first time about 40 minutes ago!), in comparison to Rush, Yes, Genesis, Camel, ELP and the rest, it actually is quite simple and definitely not as imaginitive.
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The fact that it's a Greenday song just kindof kills any chance of it being prog whatsoever.
 
Congrads on having the balls to post this though!
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Originally posted by andYouandI45 andYouandI45 wrote:

 Congrads on having the balls to post this though!
 
Hear, hear!
 
I don't think that "Jesus of Suburbia" is really a progressive rock song; I think that track is perhaps influenced a little bit by prog, but on the whole it's just a long punk song. However, another song on that CD, "Extraordinary Girl", has an interesting Indian-influenced passage at the beginning - it ain't prog, but it's more interesting than a lot of their other stuff.
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It's as prog as my balls.

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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

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That just defies any type of response whatsoever!
     
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Just a Green Day song with a couple of tempo changes, not prog !!
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Alright, don't get your undies in a bunch here!

*Points at his newbie status*. Asking questions is how we learn.
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^^ Opinions aren't welcomed here. Just nod and smile.
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In contrast to most here, I think American idiot is an excellent album. It is not prog though in my book. Not even the two mini-suites.
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Green Day are really not as bad musicians as you might want to think, their bassist and their drummer are surely capable of making prog. But! American Idiot may be a concept album, but it isn't prog. Compare it to any album on this site, even a prog related album, and you'll see that the differences are quite big.

I respect Green Day as musicians though, and of course everyone is free to like them as much as they want to. But they haven't made any prog, and will probably never make any either.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

^^ Opinions aren't welcomed here. Just nod and smile.
Aw, guys, you make us sound like close minded elitists...
 
But Greenday is definately not prog. Grar, now I have American Idiot stuck in my head...Stupid Greenday. :(
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Points: 15783 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2006 at 22:36
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

^^ Opinions aren't welcomed here. Just nod and smile.
Aw, guys, you make us sound like close minded elitists...
 
But Greenday is definately not prog. Grar, now I have American Idiot stuck in my head...Stupid Greenday. :(
 
Just some playful humor.
 
Really though the song comes nowhere close to being prog. Green Day simply don't have the talent to compose a prog song.
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Points: 31157 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2006 at 22:39
Well, it clocks in at over 9 minutes, and it's a suite, but I haven't listened to it since the AI album came out in 2004, so I can't make an opinion. I really doub't it prog though.
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