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Poll Question: Which of these is the best
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 02:44
The Wall for me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 07:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 08:40
One vote for Quadrophenia? You guys are being silly, right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 09:09
Originally posted by Soupykan Soupykan wrote:

I'll say Tommy, but I was also tempted to put the Wall, or Billy The Mountain by Frank Zappa.
 

If you have not heard the latter, well, get that done. It will leave you ammused, or possibly just bemused. [IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>


Billy the Mountain, however great of a song it is, is not a rock opera. It's simply a rock epic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 11:56
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

The Human Equation by Ayreon! By far the most operatic Rock opera I've ever heard. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 17:26
Jesus Christ Superstar.

None of those on the list are Rock operas.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2006 at 17:28
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Jesus Christ Superstar.

None of those on the list are Rock operas.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 07:22
The borderline between concept and rock opera album appears to be tenuous. I also suspect when the poll is so short, that for few examples have been sampled/experienced. Elsewhere we continue to press folks to check out Kevin Gilbert's postumous masterpieceThe Shaming Of The True - recently staged in CA by Mike Keneally.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 07:27
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Jesus Christ Superstar.

None of those on the list are Rock operas.


sure they are.

Tommy most designated. Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 07:45
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Jesus Christ Superstar.

None of those on the list are Rock operas.
sure they are. Tommy most designated.

    
All together now... "Oh no they aren't!!!"

"Tommy" may be "most designated", but it's still not an Opera.


    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 07:48
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Jesus Christ Superstar.

None of those on the list are Rock operas.
sure they are. Tommy most designated.

    
All together now... "Oh no they aren't!!!"

"Tommy" may be "most designated", but it's still not an Opera.



It sounds a bit like a "musical" story. Wink

or are you taking the Opera word literally? Disapprove

out of interest, a "popular" list of (presumed?) rock-operas

Notable rock operas

  • The Who, Tommy (1969): The album which arguably popularized the term rock opera. Later a movie and revival as well, in a Broadway production.
  • Ariaphonics, Act One (2006) Act One is a concept album by Ariaphonics. A mix of analog synthesizers, vintage keyboards, and operactic voice.
  • Rush, 2112 (1976): The first half of this album is a space rock opera complete with an overture as in The Who's Tommy.
  • Edge of Sanity, Crimson (1996): Features a single 40 minute track, telling a story in the distant future when human civilization is about to end.
  • Lacrimosa, Elodia (1999): A tragic-love story divided into three acts. An album about love being slowly overwhelmed, separation, murder and a second chance.
  • Drive-By Truckers, Southern Rock Opera (2000):As its name suggests, a Southern Rock Opera. Traces the history of the south, socially, economically and musically while presenting a southern rock star and his demise purposely similar to Lynyrd Skynyrd.
  • Ayreon, The Human Equation (2004): A man experiences a car crash and enters a 20 day coma, during which he is confronted by a new memory or emotion every day, such as pain, hope, his old school days, betrayal, and love.
  • Mastodon, Leviathan (2004): A sludge metal opera that tells the story of captain Ahab searching for his arch enemy,the White Whale, Moby Dick. Based on the book by Herman Melville.
  • Green Day, American Idiot (2004) - A punk-rock opera, telling the life of an outsider, wanting acceptance. Green Day's most sucessful album since Dookie.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 12:26
First of all there have to be different roles in a rock opera, preferably sung by different people. Else it is not a rock opera but a concept album. "Tommy" by the Who is an example, especially the soundtrack version (because different people sing on it). The best example for a rock opera is probably Peter Hammill's "The Fall of the House of Usher". The 1999 version of it even comes very close to being a real opera.
"Get 'em out by Friday" and "Harold the Barrel" by Genesis could be called "mini rock operas".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 13:27
This is so difficult, because it's hard to differentiate between a rock-opera and a concept album. I agree with Friede that different roles sung by different people could be a point to make the difference (but keep in mind that there are different people/roles in Tommy, although Roger Daltrey took over all the parts in the original version; same applies - on a lower level - to Quadrophenia). And besides the soundtrack version of Tommy Friede mentioned one shouldn't forget the orchestral version with guest appearances by David Essex, Meggie Bell, the wonderful Sandy Denny, Steve Winwood, Rod Stewart, Richie Havens and Ringo Starr, which is pure opera I think.
A lot has been said about Jesus Christ Superstar and as I have been listening to that pretty much in the past few weeks I'd say that that one comes very close to being a rock-opera in every sense.
But one cannot simply leave this thread without pointing to two marvelous albums, which very few of the younger progheads here will ever have heard of: SF Sorrow by The Pretty Things and Arthur by The Kinks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 14:42
   all albums are great; but I can't help thinking of Jeff Wayne's War of the Worlds. Should have been on the list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 15:57
TOMMY.
 
thats rock opera were playing so many times in the many of the most serious theatres over the world - independent of The Who. Ken Russel's "Tommy" movie is the one of the greatest ART stuff in 20th century, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2006 at 17:16
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:



Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:


Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Jesus Christ Superstar.

None of those on the list are Rock operas.
sure they are. Tommy most designated.

    
All together now... "Oh no they aren't!!!"

"Tommy" may be "most designated", but it's still not an Opera.

It sounds a bit like a "musical" story. or are you taking the Opera word literally? out of interest, a "popular" list of (presumed?) rock-operas<h2>Notable rock operas</h2>


Ah yes - Wikipedia, that most reliable source of information   

I'm taking the word Opera to mean what it means, of course - not what Wikipedia says it means. Check Grove's encyclopaedia

The literal meaning is "work", but the musical sense is quite different.

"Tommy", for example, is a rock musical, just as "Les Miserables" or "Cats" are musicals and not opera.
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2006 at 04:16
Originally posted by Pulse Pulse wrote:

The Lamb. I don't understand the concept ( I loose it after they introduce Rael), but musically it's the best of all those albums.
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