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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2008 at 17:27
I have been a great Kansas fan since 1977 Smile
 
And of course I have all Kansas vinyls most of them made in USA, others made in Argentina, and one made in Chile (Point of Known Return).

I saw Kansas at Viña del Mar Festival and it was an excellent experience. Kansas arrived to Viña replacing Journey because Journey's frontman was ill, so everything was done very fast, in a couple of days Kansas was in Viña. That night was sold out but after knowing the many people gave back their tickets and many others, prog rock fans like me, bought tickets. So there were literally lots of fans among the attendance that night watching Kansas (mostly 30-50 ys old). The live sound was OK, but TV sound was horrible (later I watched a tape recorded by a friend and I realized of this), Steve Walsh voice at the beginning sounded a bit weird but after a couple of songs he recovered his normal voice, this was due to the fact that Viña has a rather cold humid weather in the night as it is by the sea, so it is not strange for singers to have some trouble with their voices. 

I feared what would happen with Kansas playing before and attendance that mostly knew just one or two themes but people listened and liked what they were seeing and listening. People not only sing Dust in the wind but also Carry on my Wayward Son, that shows how many Kansas fans were among the audience.

In Viña Festival usually programs are made months before so fans know in advance what artists or bands will be on each day. So each day has a different audience depending on who is going to act. This year Peter Frampton was here and apart from the fact that media didn't like it (Chilean media didn't like and didn't undertand rock prog music, Chilean media only like pop LOL), PF was cheered by the audience. Same happened with media in the early 1980s when Police was in Viña (I was there that night also hahaha, and also saw Andy Summers walking by the street, nobody knew him LOL).



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2008 at 19:22
Kansas isn't prog and that's why they're not on this site, just get over it.  LOL

Kinda spooky seriously, that's about the same time I got into the band and prog in general.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2008 at 19:34
They're prog, ok but the vocals have never apeal me except for Song for America..

Good band musically, but don't really show new stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2008 at 20:52
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

They're prog, ok but the vocals have never apeal me except for Song for America..
 
Matter of opinions, I believe before his throat problems, Steve had an excellent voice, one of the most powerful in the market, and their lyrics are very good ones
 
Kansas had a great advantage, Robby Steinhardt took the lead vocals frequently and sometimes they could aford the luxury of two lead vocalists and two frontmen acting simultaneously.

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Good band musically, but don't really show new stuff.
 
NOTHING NEW????????
 
Kansas was probabvly the first Prog band who added Country Music and Hard Rock elements to a Symphonic structure, they had extremely complex arrangements and were one of the first Symph bands that sent kwyboards to a second place in importance basing their sound mostly in violin and violin interplay with keys.
 
Maybe today don't sound so new, well all bands have aged, but in 1974 when they relleased their first album and 1971 when they joined officially, they were really an innovative band, totally different to any of their peers.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2008 at 21:17
Have to side with Ivan on this one. Musically, these guys were powerful with a hint of smoothness. Anchored by Ehart and Hope, I feel these two comprised one of best rhythm sections in music. Livgren and Walsh were the perfect yin and yang combo from the first album through Monolith. The differences between the two became pretty glaring for Audio Visions, which made for a little unbalanced album. I still love that one, though.

Ivan's also right in how Kansas brilliantly combined two styles: you had the progressive qualities of Yes married with influences from America's heartland...primarily country music and some blues. To say that Kansas did nothing new really shows a lack of knowledge for Kansas.

And in my opinion, in his prime nobody could touch Walsh on vocals. Excellent range and clarity with that American soul that Elvis had. Still remember being drawn in by Steve's vocals at a very early age.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2008 at 20:14
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

They're prog, ok but the vocals have never apeal me except for Song for America..
 
Matter of opinions, I believe before his throat problems, Steve had an excellent voice, one of the most powerful in the market, and their lyrics are very good ones
 
Kansas had a great advantage, Robby Steinhardt took the lead vocals frequently and sometimes they could aford the luxury of two lead vocalists and two frontmen acting simultaneously.

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Good band musically, but don't really show new stuff.
 
NOTHING NEW????????
 
Kansas was probabvly the first Prog band who added Country Music and Hard Rock elements to a Symphonic structure, they had extremely complex arrangements and were one of the first Symph bands that sent kwyboards to a second place in importance basing their sound mostly in violin and violin interplay with keys.
 
Maybe today don't sound so new, well all bands have aged, but in 1974 when they relleased their first album and 1971 when they joined officially, they were really an innovative band, totally different to any of their peers.
 
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I wholeheartedly agree with all that, as well as the above post.  Kansas was definitely a progressive band who were uniquely American. In my opinion, for their 70s output, they are still the quintessential American prog band. So to say they did "nothing new" with a limited history and experience listening to progressive rock is simply wrong and completely unfair, and steers people the wrong way.
 
Its unfortunate that years of abuse have robbed Walsh of his once special vocal abilities, but in their heyday, the vocal tradeoff between him and Steinhardt was very good, especially on tunes like Mysteries and Mayhem. I think Walsh's greatest vocal may be The Wall from Leftoverture, and I would put up The Pinnacle and Icarus from the fantastic Masque album against any prog of the mid 70s. They also kicked ass in concert, a very good live band who payed their dues in the tough roadhouses of the dusty midwest for years before hitting it big. So noobs shouldn't be so dismissive before thoroughly getting to know them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 20 2008 at 20:32
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

They're prog, ok but the vocals have never apeal me except for Song for America..


Matter of opinions, I believe before his throat problems, Steve had an excellent voice, one of the most powerful in the market, and their lyrics are very good ones


Kansas had a great advantage, Robby Steinhardt took the lead vocals frequently and sometimes they could aford the luxury of two lead vocalists and two frontmen acting simultaneously.
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Good band musically, but don't really show new stuff.


NOTHING NEW????????


Kansas was probabvly the first Prog band who added Country Music and Hard Rock elements to a Symphonic structure, they had extremely complex arrangements and were one of the first Symph bands that sent kwyboards to a second place in importance basing their sound mostly in violin and violin interplay with keys.


Maybe today don't sound so new, well all bands have aged, but in 1974 when they relleased their first album and 1971 when they joined officially, they were really an innovative band, totally different to any of their peers.


Iván


Yeah I know they fused country with hard rock, but really doesn't apeal me the vocals and the symphonic sections.
Yeah I described myself badly on saying "nothing new"
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Fine then, don't like Kansas, your loss. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 23:56
Some say Kansas is a prog band with some rock tunes.  Others say Kansas is a rock band with some prog tunes.  I belong to the first group.  There are prog songs aplenty on their 70s albums as well as their studio album of the 90s and their last studio labum.  Peace.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2008 at 10:25
Originally posted by Hendrix Hendrix wrote:

I have been a great Kansas fan since 1977 Smile
 
And of course I have all Kansas vinyls most of them made in USA, others made in Argentina, and one made in Chile (Point of Known Return).

I saw Kansas at Viña del Mar Festival and it was an excellent experience. Kansas arrived to Viña replacing Journey because Journey's frontman was ill, so everything was done very fast, in a couple of days Kansas was in Viña. That night was sold out but after knowing the many people gave back their tickets and many others, prog rock fans like me, bought tickets. So there were literally lots of fans among the attendance that night watching Kansas (mostly 30-50 ys old). The live sound was OK, but TV sound was horrible (later I watched a tape recorded by a friend and I realized of this), Steve Walsh voice at the beginning sounded a bit weird but after a couple of songs he recovered his normal voice, this was due to the fact that Viña has a rather cold humid weather in the night as it is by the sea, so it is not strange for singers to have some trouble with their voices. 

I feared what would happen with Kansas playing before and attendance that mostly knew just one or two themes but people listened and liked what they were seeing and listening. People not only sing Dust in the wind but also Carry on my Wayward Son, that shows how many Kansas fans were among the audience.

In Viña Festival usually programs are made months before so fans know in advance what artists or bands will be on each day. So each day has a different audience depending on who is going to act. This year Peter Frampton was here and apart from the fact that media didn't like it (Chilean media didn't like and didn't undertand rock prog music, Chilean media only like pop LOL), PF was cheered by the audience. Same happened with media in the early 1980s when Police was in Viña (I was there that night also hahaha, and also saw Andy Summers walking by the street, nobody knew him LOL).



A belated welcome to Hendrix, great first post, and I hope it won't be the last.

As to the original post: Yes, Kansas has released considerable Prog material and deserved inclusion in the archives.  No need to state this, but Kansas is not just a Progressive Rock band (same with many bands).
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