a scary consideration today about Black S

"I agree, since I've just heard Beethoven and Mozart as wise ideas.

This is criminal. From Sabbath to Hendrix and Dylan, all this has been waken up by the addition of Who."

Were you referring to me? I was using them hypothetically to make the point that it's ridiculous to add Sabbath or Metallica. I am definitely not in favor of including any of those musicians or composers. Well, with the possible exception of Hendrix in proto-prog. I think that if you include the Beatles there, you might as well include Hendrix. But anyway, I don't think the inclusion of Beethoven in Mozart in the Prog Archives is anything other than a silly idea.

By the way, that "Stop, cut it off here" is not needed....

Atavachron wrote: ... I find it interesting that some still think A equals B... the Who and their inclusion on PA has nothing to do with any other artists, and the music of Cream or Hendrix have nothing to do with the Who. Each artist will be independently assessed... why is that so hard to understand ?

Sabbath are great, but they don't belong here. Only the dio and beyond work is in any way related to prog, which rules them out of proto b/c the dio era came not during but after prog's golden age.

What would you say made the early lineup progreeive? I know they mixed blues and jazz with the heaviest distortion ever, but I don't see how that would qualify them.

The T wrote: By the way, that "Stop, cut it off here" is not needed....   We're adults and if we want to discuss and waste hours and hours of our time arguing whether Black Sabbath should or not be included here, only to get a final rejection by the site owners, it's our decision. So please don't ask us to stop, right here, like if this was some kind of dictatorship.

Not to cut of discussion, to cut off addition of proto-prog/prog-related bands. I personally, want not more added, especially if they're a big band like Black Sabbath. The Talking Heads and the Flaming Lips are some of my favorite bands. They are also revolutionary and/or experimental, but you don't see me lobbying to get them on here because it's obvious that they don't belong on this site even by a minor connection. The same is true with Black Sabbath.

1800iareyay wrote: What would you say made the early lineup progreeive? I know they mixed blues and jazz with the heaviest distortion ever, but I don't see how that would qualify them.

Hehe, the golden word regarding that would be fusion, wouldn't it?

stonebeard wrote: The T wrote: It's sad that that "stop, cut it off here" always comes woth prog-metal, never before so "progressive" additions like The Who    Read above post. You obviously misunderstood my intentions.