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Points: 12802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2007 at 06:37
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Been reading forums on the net since the birth of yahoo, but this thread must be one of the most hillarious ones ever created! Oh goosh, fun has never been this direct and non subtle.
Listen to the mainQ here" is this or that band this or that genre",
Come on! What a debate!
But, keep it commin, it is good fun!


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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2008 at 18:15
Originally posted by lazpete lazpete wrote:

Been reading forums on the net since the birth of yahoo, but this thread must be one of the most hillarious ones ever created! Oh goosh, fun has never been this direct and non subtle.
Listen to the mainQ here" is this or that band this or that genre",
Come on! What a debate!
But, keep it commin, it is good fun!
 
Maybe you don't get the point Lazpete, this is a Prog site and despite it's quite open compared with others, we try to keep it Prog, so the genre does cares, if a band is not Prog or a least Prog related, well they should not be on the database of Prog Archives.
 
There are hundreeds of Punk, Disco, Pop, Reggae, Rap, Hip Hop, and they only add bands that belong to their genre, but in their case it's simople, nobody will mistake Rap with non Rap or hardly you won't recognize a Punk track at ythe first listen.
 
If we didn't cared if a band is Prog or not, this site would be a General music site like Allmusic, which is very useful, but not a place for people who is interested mainly in Progressive rock.
 
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As with any band that exists over a long period of time (across decades), like Styx, you can't expect one fixed sound or style to prevail.  If a band is healthy and creative, chances are they aren't going to want to stay in one place forever.

Styx were progressive at one time (namely the first five albums), though they also mixed in more accessible / popular songs on the albums at the same time.  Equinox started blurring the lines, and Crystal Ball continued the trend to where there were only traces of what could be prog.  Pieces of Eight showed the band in more of a standard rock n roll position, though still sounding uniquely Styx (especially due to Dennis DeYoung's voice).
 
It's really dumb to have to force one label on any band to sum them up, or try to box groups into convenient categories.  That's like trying to fully describe a person by only using one word.  Try it, see if it makes sense....
 
Get over it.  No labels are necessary.


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^I agree with all you said, until I reached "Get over it.  No labels are necessary.", to which I disagree. They are there two distingusih between quite clearly defined genres, even though the lines between them sometimes get blurry. I think of it as a rough description, but still a viable description. We have reviews to express how we feel about a certain band, without bothering about the genres description.
 
And when it comes to Styx I'm perfectly happy with them in Prog Related, for the very same reasons you stated above.


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Points: 19535 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 13:08
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

^I agree with all you said, until I reached "Get over it.  No labels are necessary.", to which I disagree. They are there two distingusih between quite clearly defined genres, even though the lines between them sometimes get blurry. I think of it as a rough description, but still a viable description. We have reviews to express how we feel about a certain band, without bothering about the genres description.
 
Clap Exactly what I believe, if not, why do we have Rock, Blues, Pop, Rap, Raeggae, Raeggeton, Jazz, etc and not just call it all Contemporary Popular Music.
 
Some people say we should only divide all in good and bad music.............But what is good and bad music, how could I convince a 15 years kid used to listen top 40 stuff that Boys or Girls band are not good music?
 
Even if I talk about musical standards, he will tell me this are rules for old people, I remember a movie with Al Pacino where he's coach of a Florida Team and talks to the quarterback (Roichard Beamen LOL) about Jazz and the guy answers "I don't care about old music".
 
Why should we decide what is good and what is bad?
 
So genres and labes are necessary, we need to identify things, everything is labeled, there's the general term Classical Music, but there are subdivisions like Gothic, Renaissance, Baroque, Classic Era, Romantic, Modern, Post Modern, etc.
 
Also in painting, there's Clacicism, Fauvism, Modernism, Impressionism, Mannerism, etc.
 
To  love something, you got to understand it, and labeling is the best way, lets be honest most artists who talk about not being labeled, is because they are unhappy with the genre they are located, I received mails from artists asking to be included ibn Symphonic, when we checked and told them they could maybe fit in Neo Prog or Eclectic or Xover, they reply that they don't want to be labeled (but of course after asking to be added in Symphonic), and this is wrong, all genres are equally good, the beauty is in the ears of the audience.
 
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

And when it comes to Styx I'm perfectly happy with them in Prog Related, for the very same reasons you stated above.
 
More than happy, I'm a STYX fan (I made the bio for them), but they are bnot a full Prog band, they accept it, they are a Rock band with some Prog moments that almmost vanished when John Curulewski left the band, but the are an excellent band.
 
The Grand Illusion is my favorite album by them, and I don't care it's not a Prog album mainly, there will always be a slot in my CD player for this great release.
 
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Points: 64460 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 16:35
Originally posted by lazpete lazpete wrote:

Been reading forums on the net since the birth of yahoo, but this thread must be one of the most hillarious ones ever created! Oh goosh, fun has never been this direct and non subtle.
Listen to the mainQ here" is this or that band this or that genre",
Come on! What a debate!
But, keep it commin, it is good fun!


Big%20smile  cheers, nice to see an outsider sharing the fun
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2008 at 17:15
When I think of "Crossover Prog" I see Styx, ELO and Supertramp.

Styx were naff, but not as cheesey as Starcastle, for example. Being naff certainly doesn't preclude them from inclusion here at PA. If that was the case half the bands here would be chopped..Wink
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