not liking rock

Ahem... Peter: why on earth do you share all this intimate stuff with all us complete strangers in a thread about not liking rock? 

So discussing music has become pointless and unimportant to you (although I know you take offence on opinions of strangers all the time) and you're not interested in discovering anything new. I'm here for the music, and discovering more of it through some folks I can only find here. Unlike you, this matters to me, and it doesn't mean I don't have a life. I even got a bird who like me, love both VdGG and ABBA (and that's not totally unimportant to me either).

I've learned one thing too; Text is a great substitute for voice. Not for love and all that "warm" familystuff you write about, but for sharing interests and opinions with kindred spirits or whatever, who doesn't live in your neighbourhood.

BroSpence wrote: Not to pick at you or anything, but I just find it interesting when people really like a certain genre(s) but dislike the one or more that fathered it/them.

It's not really surprising. If you're entirely satisfied with a genre, you don't create another one.

 

Rocktopus wrote: Ahem... Peter: why on earth do you share all this intimate stuff with all us complete strangers in a thread about not liking rock?  So discussing music has become pointless and unimportant to you (although I know you take offense on opinions of strangers all the time) and you're not interested in discovering anything new. I'm here for the music, and discovering more of it through some folks I can only find here. Unlike you, this matters to me, and it doesn't mean I don't have a life. I even got a bird who like me, love both VdGG and ABBA (and that's not totally unimportant to me either). I've learned one thing too; Text is a great substitute for voice. Not for love and all that "warm" familystuff you write about, but for sharing interests and opinions with kindred spirits or whatever, who doesn't live in your neighbourhood.

Edited by Peter - May 28 2008 at 09:23

I'm trying to come up with a consistent answer to this question in my mind, but I just can't.

micky wrote: GoldenSpiral wrote: For every great band in a particular genre, there are a thousand mediocre immitators and half-assed, watered-down sounds that are in fact irritating.  I won't find a particular band irritating because they're emo or punk or soft-rock, but I will turn it off if they bring nothing interesting to the table. very very true.. and you can put prog in that as well...for me.. I got into prog to hear 'progressive' music.. progressive rock...  not Dream Theater.

amirite?

I listen to just about every genre of rock music. I love a lot of classic rock, hard rock, alternative rock, pop rock.  And a good deal of punk rock (mostly 70s punk, old hardcore, post punk) and some metal (Sabbath, Maiden, thrash/speed metal).

The first two albums in your sig alone tell me that your taste is pretty diverse. Talk about an odd pairing.

Edited by boo boo - May 28 2008 at 18:23

I don't think any amount of The Kinks videos are gonna change the situation.

Visitor13 wrote: BroSpence wrote: Not to pick at you or anything, but I just find it interesting when people really like a certain genre(s) but dislike the one or more that fathered it/them. It's not really surprising. If you're entirely satisfied with a genre, you don't create another one.

You mean you limit your listening to what existed when you first started listening to music ?
There are certain genres that I prefer, but none exists that delivers just  musical acts that enthrall me. I love Green Day, so if Pop Punk is their genre, why can't I get into Simple Plan, Sum 41 (O.K. there were 3-4 songs when they first came out about their hidden metal fetish), or even the biggest of Green Day's commercial offspring - Blink 182.
I love Johnny Cash, but much of the rest of traditional country that I like relates to songs, as no other artist in this type of music has gripped me.
I love Dun, and I have all of Univers Zero's albums. But the entire Zeuhl section of my collection is Dun. And apart from Zappa and a few others, RIO/Avant-Garde is not a big part either. Yet, I'm still open to listening to other bands in both genres.
I love Marillion & IQ, yet I'm not a big Neo prog fan. Nor, do I really see Gabriel's influence as being overwhelming, or the Trick of the Tail era Genesis as a blueprint.
I love a lot of metal music, but I don't love every metal group.
I love a lot of roots or retro rock, but again, that doesn't extend to the whole scene.
I love prog, but have no Krautrock, Prog electronic, or raga/Indo rock.


FOR THOSE WHO WANT THE BRIEF VERSION :
    I love music. I find it where it is. Not under what "type" or "section" others may file it.
Genres are general descriptors. Nothing more. They can serve as a guide, but not a guarantee.

BACK TO THE LONG VERSION :

Basing one's opinion or arguement of a very wide genre on the worst in its' grouping is easy. So easy as to open oneself to inane petty pedantic ramblings attacking of picky puffed up people with nothing better to do than debate in detail the overgeneralized and unfocused "taste". Especially when you use a definition, then limiting the scope of said definition to fit your liking.
If you don't like AC/DC, fine. If you don't like the million and one imitators out there, fine. But stating that "classic rock" is something you don't like, is really inaccurate.
Here's why - "classic rock" includes any and all music from the mid 60s to now that has managed to keep music fans' ears happy. That includes the Beatles, Pink Floyd, Yes, Jethro Tull, Joni Mitchell, Hendrix, Pearl Jam, Dylan, Status Quo (if you're in the UK), Queen, 10cc, Elton John, Zep, Sabbath, Purple, the Clash, Nirvana and many others. Do you notice that about half of those listed (at my deliberate choosing) appear in one of the genres listed at PA. Can you tell me what the shared link is between Ex-Sir John, Kurt, Jim & Jimi (all of the hallowed T-shirt icon/idol brigade {lennon, cobain,morrison,hendrix for y'all) ? Oh yeah, their music "genre" usually includes the term "rock". How about Sir Elton ? I mean he & Freddie share a certain taste or leaning, but how would you come up with a definition that really includes both ? Classic Rock is it. It is, as most general and overly inclusive groupings, easy to pick a few things you dislike. It is likely just as easy to find some that you may like.
Heck, the magazine Classic Rock has printed articles on Gentle Giant and King Crimson. Don't they know their target audience might be confused why such non 12 bar playing bands merit a mention ???
We don't all seem to know that it means the very limited (and not completely related) cross section of acts (the Eagles & Maiden, now they share a common sound, eh) that you don't like.Which is your right. But base your "opinion", or at least present it with something more than stereotypes, not with platitudes (no, I didn't need to Peruse my Thesaurus or Dictionary to find that word, I've used it before) that really shed no light as to what you actually don't like about these disparate groups, and accept that a general and sweeping dismissal of beloved groups (which their fans also have a right to do) may attract flak (again, there was no need for me to use book learning and all that smart ass writing stuff to compose) because these music lovers may be as enthusiastic and attached to their musical heroes music as you are to your supposedly strange taste. Which, by the way, I really haven't seen spelled out in detail. Also, by the way, I have been told that I have strange tastes. But mostly because of the variety and wide range of music that I have in my collection, have heard, heard of or know about.
And the only time I bother to get my dander up is when someone is displaying a petty attitude ( it's all just noise to me, unlike the noise that I like). I then feel "invited" to question their taste just as they might have mine. Why not ? You asked
" Am I alone here? Or are there other prog fans out there who make an exception for the subgenre?

honestly, ACDC, Led Zep, DP, Rush, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Eagles, ect ect ect all really annoy me. ;P"

Damn, I wet myself. Got to keep to schedule on those bathroom breaks, even if it breaks the flow of thought.
Better that flow, eh.