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Poll Question: What sub-genre do you think is best for start exploring prog?
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    Posted: March 06 2009 at 14:44
Maybe we can define the archetypical prog genre style.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 22:19
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

I wouldn't reccomend anyone starting with the second generation or division of a music genre. Begin with where it begun. I'd suggest something like 60's King Crimson & Pink Floyd and take it from there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 20:22
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

^ Agreed, it does depend on the person (metal fans should start with prog-metal, pop fans with crossover, etc.)


I agree with Sckxyss.  It depends entirely on what the person enjoys.  Shoot, the fan of experimental music may find RIO to be right up their alley.  It depends entirely on what the person generally enjoys.  I wouldn't even try to push the classics on them first.  If someone is a jazz fan and you give them 'Selling England by the Pound' you're going to loose them before they had a chance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 19:31
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Well to be fair, my first exposures to prog were Pink Floyd, Genesis and Yes, haha.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 16:38
If you are beggining, I recommend you to start with the following albums:

- Yes - Close to the Edge
- Rush - Moving Pictures
- Pink Floyd - Wish you Were Here
- King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
- Marillion - Script of a Jester's Tear
- Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
- Genesis - Selling England by the Pound
- Camel - Moonmadness

well, these are my favourite classic albums...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 16:13
^ The other day I was checking that Bubblemath album, and the first thought that came to my mind was "this is really avant but easily enjoyable". So, you know, one could think that even in a complex genre like Avant (well, I still think Bubblemath is more avant than eclectic, but, whatever...) you can find such fine particles in the uni... oh!! no no, I mean, you can find some albums that are apart from the 'prog complexity' if we can say so. Some of my non-prog-listeners friends enjoy Disco Volante... Who would say, the so called most experimental from Mr. Bungle...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 15:42
I commonly find Avant Prog bands more complex than those in Eclectic (and many of the more complex ones in Eclectic I tend to think of as avant oriented).  RIO / Avant is a very eclectic category, and an advanced one.  For example, I think it would be easier for more people to get into Gentle Giant and King Crimson than Henry Cow and Art Zoyd. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 05 2009 at 15:34

Beginners: Psychedelic Rock (the genre that originated Prog Rock) and Crossover (not entirely progressive rock, so it's easiest to the ears.)

Intermediate: Symphonic Prog (the easiest to hear, and the best in my opinion) and maybe Jazz Fusion.
 
Expert: Ecletic Prog (the most complex, in my opinion)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 20:29
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Seriously? Only one person besides me voted crossover?
 


ehhh... i'm not surprised.  why would someone.  Why begin where prog is going.... without checking out where prog has been. Most prog genres are tapped out...genrefied ( © Micky 2008)  just retreads of those who perfected it in the first place.


Don't know about anyone here...  try taking calculus without mastering algebra.

don't know symphonic prog?..  you are akin to being a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. 





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 20:26
I used to be a nearly all-Symphonic lover, oddly enough. It's what started me out (besides Rush and BOC), and I'd say it's usually the best way to go.

Depends on the person too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 20:22
Seriously? Only one person besides me voted crossover?
 
I'd also say prog metal or tech/extreme prog metal, because that's how tons of people I know get into prog anyways.
 
Symphonic of course is a definite one too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 17:46
Symphonic without a doubt

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 15:03
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 14:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

^ damn right..ELP brother.... no f**king Camel for introduction to prog here... we'd have our new members wearing dresses and wearing lipstick.
 
LOL   But ... wait according to the site , Camel is a prog institution while ELP are a forgotten 2nd league band.
 
Don't listen to  their suggestions... ELP!!! Look at that name , they must suck!! Better to start with big groups like Camel , even some tobaccos were issued in their honor!! Besides , Camel's approach to prog is so intense , bombastic and emotional that it grabs you by the balls and never lets you go.
 
 
OK enough with jokes here:
 
Camel: Another symphonic band , they released loads of records and their prime was in the 70's. However their were quite consistent. Their records are quite easy to listen but they can turn into background music relatively easy. Good , but not essential if you heard many symph prog before.
 
ELP: Sadly forgotten 70's giant. They play the most "in your face" style of prog you'll ever hear. their music is keyboard based. Two virtuosos and a charismatic lead singer. However their music is not as easy listening as Genesis or Yes. I suggest you to listen to the so called key albums of symphonic first so you can enjoy Brain Salad Surgery much better.
 
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ELP revolutionized the 70's rock scene by introducing a new line-up format. This fact really mattered due to each musician's geniality and unlimited talent that, put together, generated a level of music never achieved by anybody else as of yet.
All of the musicians came from stablished bands before joining forces together: Greg LAKE came from KING CRIMSON, Carl PALMER came from ATOMIC ROOSTER, and Keith EMERSON came from THE NICE.

They explored their capabilities to an extreme, even with the technology limitations of the early 70's, breaking ground, setting the new parameters for a new vein in the english pop music (at the time) which would be called progressive music. ELP released 10 outstanding albums during the 70's, and after a long break, they got back in the 90's with a new approach, but still making good music. In 1986 Cozy POWELL replaced PALMER and they put together EMERSON, LAKE and POWELL, a good effort as well.

They've pushed their ambitions over-the-edge. On "Tarkus" the title suite was an inventive and edgy suite revolving around jazzy textures. Their most popular album "Brain Salad Surgery", was their most grandiose and refined. Next, the more adventurous listener might try "Trilogy" or ELP's self-titled first album. In my opinion, these four albums form the core of ELP's best material. Other good ELP albums include "Pictures at an Exhibition", their provocative, fiery and intense take on a classical work. and "Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends", a triple-live album (now on double-CD) with some absolutely stunning playing.


 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 14:45
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 14:33
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

^the Pessimist, see his post above, not funny Stern Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:56
I'd say Symphonic, Italian Symphonic, Eclectic, or Psychedelic/Space Rock are good places to start. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:27
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Symphonic


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:14
^ Hahahaha damn right Approve sorry Alex, didn't see the post...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2009 at 13:13
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

No votes for RIO/Avant?  Angry


 
It would rather scare 'em off LOL
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