Zombies for Proto Prog

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After that I writing a PM to Easy Livin  I decided to open this thread to know what the community thinks about the inclusion of the Zombies.

This is Easy Livin answer abou my PM:

''The Zombies, possibly, for proto prog perhaps. They were predecessors of Argent of course, and developed a strong reputation which belies their one (or two) hit wonder status. I'm not sure they were particualrly influential but I could be persuded''

Sure this answer is 100% correct. But Zombies are often cited as a prime example of prog band (Prog Beat band) and the famous ''She's Not There'' is an evergreen for Santana.

So I think that Zombies inclusion in Proto Prog is correct.

But what do you think about Zombies inclusion in PP?

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Mandrakeroot Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851	Topic: Zombies for Proto Prog Posted: April 23 2009 at 17:19
	After that I writing a PM to Easy Livin I decided to open this thread to know what the community thinks about the inclusion of the Zombies. This is Easy Livin answer abou my PM: ''The Zombies, possibly, for proto prog perhaps. They were predecessors of Argent of course, and developed a strong reputation which belies their one (or two) hit wonder status. I'm not sure they were particualrly influential but I could be persuded'' Sure this answer is 100% correct. But Zombies are often cited as a prime example of prog band (Prog Beat band) and the famous ''She's Not There'' is an evergreen for Santana. So I think that Zombies inclusion in Proto Prog is correct. But what do you think about Zombies inclusion in PP?

debrewguy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596	Posted: April 23 2009 at 22:41
	I sometimes wonder if the Zombies & the Pretty Things shouldn't be in here for Odyssey & Oracle, and S.F. Sorrow respectively. Proto Prog all the way, but then the question might be - how influential were these albums on what eventually became prog ? Pete Townsend has said that S F Sorrow was on his mind when he was writing Tommy. And 10CC called one of their first songs Baron Samedi . So ???
	"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.

earlyprog Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2099	Posted: April 24 2009 at 04:46
	She's Not There is a nice example of the R&B influenced music that emerged in the latter part of 1964 with other examples being Moody Blues (and The Animals to some extent). It is in the beginning of a genre that evolved into US psychedelic rock, despite what seems to be its UK origin. Tell Her No also from '64 is an axample of sophisticated pop by Zombies not far from the Beatles. In my book, Odessey And Oracle along with The Doors is the first indication of how the use of keyboards would bend the music towards prog just a few months later (The NIce, Soft Machine, Traffic). In was released in the context of Sgt. Pepper, Smiley Smile, Hendrix' Are You Experienced, Doors' Strange Days and as such appears outdated to my ears. It's along Beatles anno '65 and Beach Boys anno '66 (Pet Sounds). Off Odessey And Oracle, I would say that the most proggy are Beechwood Park and Butcher's Tale with a not too heavy psychedelic flavour. The mellotron driven (only predated by Beatles) and classical inspired Hung Up On A Dream surely has prog credentials. Time Of The Season is more in the vain of where the music was heading in '67 (US psychedelic). I don't think all this is enough for their inclusion in proto-prog but they surely get honourable mentions. Edited by earlyprog - April 24 2009 at 04:53

akin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: February 06 2004 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 976	Posted: April 24 2009 at 06:01
	Zombies? No. There were much less experimental and prog than many bands at their age. Save for two or three songs, Zombies are more bubblegum psychedelia than experimental psychedelia.

Slartibartfast Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625	Posted: April 24 2009 at 07:07
	Don't do it!!! They'll eat everybody's brains!!!
	Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

debrewguy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596	Posted: April 24 2009 at 19:25
	The only brains to be found here are fried ! And high in fat & progestorol
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Avantgardehead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170	Posted: April 25 2009 at 05:16
	LOVE this band!!!!!!! points to avatar They were definitely a step above your every-day late 60's psychedelic band. Proto-prog? Not sure, but great music nonetheless.
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jammun Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449	Posted: April 27 2009 at 22:32
	Don't know about proto for Zombies, though an excellent band. Argent is here, much more fitting since at least there are some spectacular proggy songs on those albums.
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ProgShine Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 04 2005 Location: Kalisz, Poland Status: Offline Points: 1256	Posted: May 04 2009 at 02:45
	I think Zombies could be here, so much bands 'less prog' are here!
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The Whistler Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: August 30 2006 Location: LA, CA Status: Offline Points: 7113	Posted: May 08 2009 at 01:02
	If you're going to go that route, I'd still say that your best bet is The Left Banke--very proto symphonic sound, PLUS an ELP-style meltdown. Can't get more progressive 'n that!
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Avantgardehead Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170	Posted: May 08 2009 at 04:13
	I don't know... After listening to Odessey and Oracle again, I don't quite think it qualifies as proto-prog. They were a step above similar stuff like The Beach Boys, but they were several steps below The Beatles in terms of innovation/progression, etc. Edited by Avantgardehead - May 08 2009 at 04:13
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Necromancer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: May 07 2009 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 33	Posted: May 08 2009 at 07:46
	The more bands the better. "Moonsorrow" isn't prog metal, but is named so on this site. As long as they're along the right lines, I don't see a problem.