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Dick Heath 
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Posted: May 12 2004 at 11:59 |
Here's a toughie and it is about knowing thy British record labels around the end of the 60's:
Which record labels originally released the following albums in the UK, as 12" LPs :
May Blitz: "2nd Of May"
Centipede
Kevin Ayers: "Joy Of A Toy"
Babe Ruth: "First Base"
Keith Tippett: "Dedicated To You...."
Pete Brown: "A Meal You Can Shake Hands With"
Juicy Lucy
Quatermass
Edgar Broughton Band: "Wasa Wasa"
Tonton Macoute
Finally what was the name of Decca Records (short-lived) progressive music specialist label, issued through Deram?
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Posted: May 25 2004 at 14:57 |
 Dick Heath wrote:
Here's a toughie and it is about knowing thy British record labels around the end of the 60's:
Which record labels originally released the following albums in the UK, as 12" LPs :
May Blitz: "2nd Of May"
Vertigo
Centipede
RCA (I think...)
Kevin Ayers: "Joy Of A Toy"
Harvest
Babe Ruth: "First Base"
Harvest
Keith Tippett: "Dedicated To You...."
Vertigo
Pete Brown: "A Meal You Can Shake Hands With"
Harvest
Juicy Lucy
Vertigo
Quatermass
Harvest?
Edgar Broughton Band: "Wasa Wasa"
Harvest
Tonton Macoute
NEON - RCA's specialist prog label
Finally what was the name of Decca Records (short-lived) progressive music specialist label, issued through Deram?
MCA
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Posted: May 25 2004 at 15:24 |
Can you name these famous LPs by the First Press matrix codes?
SHVL 804 A2 - Bonus if you can tell me why there was no A1
YEX 605-1 - Bonus if you can tell me whether this is the MONO or STEREO release, and a double bonus if you can tell me what was special about the MONO 1st Pressing that no other pressing had.
XARL- 9363 - 1A - Again, bonus for MONO or STEREO
ILPS 9111 A V 2
6360071 1//1
6360014 1//1
588198 A2 11
I don't actually know the matirx of this next one, having never seen one - but here's the code (which is more than half the matrix!); CL 1355
SHVL 757 A1
SKL-R 5207 A-1
...OK, I've added a couple of labels - CBS, Island, Atlantic and Parlophone but they're all very famous LPs - (bar one or two, to keep it interesting).
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 25 2004 at 16:16 |
Certif1ed wrote:
Matrix Codes - Cor Blimey Gov you've got me stumped but some guesses
are permitted! , I'm going to presume catalogue Ref printed on LP
sleeve would relate?????????????????? Some of these little things can't
be forgotten from 5 years moonlighting in a record shop 65 to 72
(excellent education in early prog rock, as the owner expected his
sales people to be up with the latest rock music)
SHVL Harvest (I don't think they bothered with mono LPs - singles yes.
ILPS stereo Island
63xxx 64xxx would be CBS
66xxxx would be Phillips or Phonogram and it s subsidary labels such as Vertigo????
588xxx either Atlantic, Elektra or Warners??????????
SKL stereo Decca, LK was the mono prefix
Can you name these famous LPs by the First Press matrix codes?
SHVL 804 A2 - Bonus if you can tell me why there was no A1
Didn't
Harvest references start at SHVL750 or SHVL 751 Deep Purple's
Book Of Taliesyn, so perhaps 804 is post-Barrett Floyd (Lost In The
Clouds), Ayer's Joy of a Toy is earlier
YEX 605-1 -
Bonus if you can tell me whether this is the MONO or STEREO release,
and a double bonus if you can tell me what was special about the MONO
1st Pressing that no other pressing had.
XARL- 9363 - 1A - Again, bonus for MONO or STEREO
ILPS 9111 A V 2
Have to guess KC ITCOTCK - Renaissance's first release at the same time was ILPS 9114
6360071 1//1
6360014 1//1
Got me but Dylans Nashville skyline was636001
588198 A2 11
One of Yes's???
I don't actually know the matirx of this next
one, having never seen one - but here's the code (which is more than
half the matrix!); CL 1355
SHVL 757 A1
EBB Wasa Wasa
SKL-R 5207 A-1
Thats Decca code
Moodys????
...OK, I've added a couple of labels - CBS, Island,
Atlantic and Parlophone but they're all very famous LPs - (bar one
or two, to keep it interesting). |
BTW Centipede was on RCA Neon
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Posted: May 26 2004 at 02:44 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Matrix Codes - Cor Blimey Gov you've got me stumped but some guesses are permitted! , I'm going to presume catalogue Ref printed on LP sleeve would relate?????????????????? Some of these little things can't be forgotten from 5 years moonlighting in a record shop 65 to 72 (excellent education in early prog rock, as the owner expected his sales people to be up with the latest rock music)
SHVL Harvest (I don't think they bothered with mono LPs - singles yes.
ILPS stereo Island
63xxx 64xxx would be CBS
66xxxx would be Phillips or Phonogram and it s subsidary labels such as Vertigo????
588xxx either Atlantic, Elektra or Warners??????????
SKL stereo Decca, LK was the mono prefix
In most cases, yes - the Cat # made up most of the matrix #. However, there are 2 on this list which do not conform to that - but most collectors of rare vinyl know these matrices off by heart. HINT: Those are items 2 and 3.
Can you name these famous LPs by the First Press matrix codes?
SHVL 804 A2 - Bonus if you can tell me why there was no A1
Didn't Harvest references start at SHVL750 or SHVL 751 Deep Purple's Book Of Taliesyn, so perhaps 804 is post-Barrett Floyd (Lost In The Clouds), Ayer's Joy of a Toy is earlier You are very warm - this is a VERY famous album in that kind of ballpark - one of the 3 bands you've mentioned!
YEX 605-1 - Bonus if you can tell me whether this is the MONO or STEREO release, and a double bonus if you can tell me what was special about the MONO 1st Pressing that no other pressing had. Hint - not a prog band per se.
XARL- 9363 - 1A - Again, bonus for MONO or STEREO Hint - not a prog band at all, but easily as well-known as the above...
ILPS 9111 A V 2
Have to guess KC ITCOTCK - Renaissance's first release at the same time was ILPS 9114 First Anorak point awarded!! ITCOTCK it is!!!
6360071 1//1
6360014 1//1
Got me but Dylans Nashville skyline was636001 Hint - you mentioned this band in your list...
588198 A2 11
One of Yes's??? I cheated - this is not a prog band per se, but stable mates of YES.
I don't actually know the matirx of this next one, having never seen one - but here's the code (which is more than half the matrix!); CL 1355 The colour of this text is the only hint I'm giving. If you don't own this album, why not???
SHVL 757 A1
EBB Wasa Wasa Anorak point 2!!!
SKL-R 5207 A-1
Thats Decca code
Moodys???? Nope!!!
...OK, I've added a couple of labels - CBS, Island, Atlantic and Parlophone but they're all very famous LPs - (bar one or two, to keep it interesting). |
BTW Centipede was on RCA Neon No cigar for me, then... 
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Posted: May 27 2004 at 03:10 |
OK, I'll give you the two that are "Dead wax codes" only, and leave the rest up for grabs for anyone bothered enough to turn over their album covers and take a peek at the codes on the back.
YEX 605-1 is "Revolver" by the Beatles - I thought that was a nice easy one! The -1 matrix ending was used on both the FP STEREO AND the MONO - it was a trick! What's special about BOTH (the other trick!) is that the FP MONO contains "Mix 11" of Tomorrow Never Knows. The STEREO pressings have a different mix, and the later MONOs yet another.
XARL- 9363 - 1A is the stereo release of "Let It Bleed" by the Rolling Stones - a contemporary of "Revolver".
The first one is an album you have in your collection. Yes - you! The person reading this! If you like prog, you've got this. If not, you don't like prog...
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Posted: May 27 2004 at 16:06 |
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I'm surrendering because I flogged off my vinyl when replacing with Cd - unless the vinyl is worth 50 quid or more - therefore haven't got access to the vinyl discs (or any comprehensive list with such info) . Sorry I'm a spoil sport. I do know I made the mistake of not buying a duff (but now obviously a test pressing) Vertigo pressing on vinyl - side 1 of the first album on one side and side 2 of the second album on the other - one of those would have been the first Juicy Lucy
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Posted: May 27 2004 at 16:27 |
FP "Dark Side of the Moon" goes for around £250.
That's #1
The 605-1 Revolver goes for up to £450
LIB is a paltry £150 or so.
The King Crimson fetches c£500, but the Sabbath (Vol4) and Juicy Lucy between £30-150
The Atlantic was Led Zep IV, worth about £100.
Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" can fetch about £500 on the original "six-eye" label, "Wasa Wasa" is currently on eBay for £75, and the original of Camel's Snow Goose (without the "Music Inspired by" text is about the same.
So if you got rid of any of those, you should now be in tears...
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Posted: May 28 2004 at 04:24 |
Certif1ed wrote:
FP "Dark Side of the Moon" goes for around £250.
That's #1
Really ,seems an ealry cat/matrix no for the album.
The 605-1 Revolver goes for up to £450
I bought the stereo 3 days after Revolver's original release - sold it when the CD came - only catalogued at a max of 25 quid then
The King Crimson fetches c£500, but the Sabbath (Vol4) and Juicy Lucy between £30-150
Somebody stole my KC
The Atlantic was Led Zep IV, worth about £100.
I still have this
Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" can fetch about £500 on the original "six-eye" label,
I worked backwards very slowly with Miles recordings so Kind Of Blue has been the original CD and then the remastered/bonus tracks. I see in Jazzwise this month that Ian Carr bought a Miles album in France in '58 (10") and never stopped playing it (not one I recognise) - possibly worth a few bob??!!!
"Wasa Wasa" is currently on eBay for £75,
I got £20 when the BGO CD was released.
and the original of Camel's Snow Goose (without the "Music Inspired by" text is about the same.
Never been my cuppa of tea - mind you found the double live Camel on Deram for for almostnothing - a blind guy had owned it - scratches and fingerprints everywhere
So if you got rid of any of those, you should now be in tears...
No I've got fair deals sold the first two May Blitz for 25 quid each. Hung on Rainbow Ffolly and T2 both quoted in the 100 to 200 quid range. What about the Soft machine and LZ albums with revolving fronts? Or the first LZ with turquoise labelling (cf orange)?
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Posted: May 28 2004 at 07:47 |
That FP Led Zep album with the Turquoise is unpredictable - you could get up to £500 for it or "just" £150. LZIII, likewise - I picked up a copy for £4 (original Plum/Orange "Do What Thou Wilt, So Mote It Be" in the run-out). I've seen them sell around £50 - although more if you have the -1 in the E.J.Day cover.
The Softies LP is just as unpredictable as LZIII - goes for about the same.
The Beatles Stereo Revolver FP might catalogue low, but in prime condition will fetch up to £250. It's a funny old market, because I got mine in really nice (not quite prime) condition for £20.
I had to go over to Oxford yesterday, and popped into a vinyl shop I know there. I picked up an "Abbey Road", with the misplaced apple sleeve and early stamper codes for £8, a White Album top-opener -1 matrix for £20 and a Stereo Blue Columbia "Saucerful of Secrets" for £20. I also picked up a "Killing Floor" Plum&Orange LZ II with a £4 price sticker (had a minute amount of writing on the sleeve, vinyl was gleaming!), but they chucked that in as a freebie - couldn't believe my luck - I felt like I was robbing the place!
Abbey Road - misaligned apple (EX) = £100 +
White Album - top opener, -1 matrix, all 4 photos and poster (EX) = £100 +
LZII - (vinyl EX) = £40+
Saucerful "Blue" Columbia STEREO (If only it was EX! - would be £450!) (VG) = £200 +
This is what vinyl collecting is about - the hunting down of rare items - the warm glow you get from holding a first pressing or particularly desirable item (Saucerful), and the excitement of playing it and hearing the music as close to the way the artists intended as you can currently get without listening to the masters... 'scuse me while I just zip up my anorak...
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Posted: May 31 2004 at 13:03 |
"XARL- 9363 - 1A is the stereo release of "Let It Bleed" by the Rolling Stones - a contemporary of "Revolver"."
Thought "Let It Bleed" was contemporary of "Let It Be"? 
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Posted: May 31 2004 at 16:48 |
Maybe I was being a bit too approximate - you're closer, but in actual fact it was "contemporary" of "Abbey Road" (1969).
On rare records, I've been wondering about a few that typically fetch big bucks - could anyone give an opinion on "Growers of Mushroom" by Leafhound, "Heaven and Hell" by Harsh Reality or "July" by July?
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