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sigod
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Posted: July 15 2005 at 06:04 | |
On a related front, Africa Bambaataa is often credited with creating
the first electro/hip hop track when he released 'Planet Rock'
(released in 1982) which sampled music from Kraftwerk's Trans Europe
Express (released in 1977).
On reflection, the joining of two seemingly disparate styles is often what generates completely new genres (prog has such a fusion to thank for it's own existence). A stoke of genius on Africa Bambaataa's part IMO. |
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Moogtron III
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 26 2005 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 10616 |
Posted: July 15 2005 at 06:11 | |
There were crews which were creative almost on a prog level. I only know old school rap: Some of the "native tongue" groups, like De La Soul and Jungle Brothers were really trying to do something new. They didn't have the musical knowledge of the prog groups, but they were creative allright. Dream Warriors, Gang Starr and Guru deserve to be mentioned well, I think. Some crews incorporated jazz, like the ones I mentioned (except De La Soul) but not prog I think.
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:49 | |
I second that. |
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:51 | |
Yeah, the stuff I heard off that album was awesome. |
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 18:01 | |
This post should be stickied, along with Syzygy's rebuttal of the 'OMG PUNK SOOO KILLED PROG' - fairytale.
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Fragile
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 19:14 | |
Rap is an abomination. I repeat an abomination.
Rap is an abomination. I repeat an abominaton.
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progreviews
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 21 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
Posted: May 04 2006 at 10:54 | |
For those few who are actually interested, since this thread originally started I've posted reviews on my website, Ground & Sky, of some of the albums I mentioned in my first post. The last two don't necessarily have much to do with hip-hop, actually; Nu Bop is more a jazz/electronica collaboration while El-P is a hip-hop producer but on High Water he basically turns purely to an interesting, accessible kind of avant-jazz. I'm linking to them anyway since I mention them in my original post.
Dälek - Absence Faust vs. Dälek - Derbe Respect, Alder Anti-Pop Consortium - Anti-Pop vs. Matthew Shipp Matthew Shipp - Nu Bop El-P - High Water |
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Kord
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 08:30 | |
Why don't we ask to Wakeman or Howe if rap is influenced by prog?!?!?!
I already immagine the answer.....so don't talk just to open the mouth, folks!! I could seem close-minded, but rap and prog are two different things....at first prog is a genre of music, while rap is not music.....
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 08:37 | |
Edited by Teaflax - June 18 2006 at 08:37 |
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 08:49 | |
What on earth are you talking about? Why would Yes members be the ultimate source of wisdom regarding prog-influenced rap(no offense intended to these musicians whatsoever)?
-- Ivan
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Jimbo
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:17 | |
C'mon guys, are you seriously as close-minded as you seem right now?
(This is not aimed at the ones who are trying to defend the genre)
You may not like rap music, and you don't have to, but at least acknowledge it's a valid music genre. I'm not the biggest fan either, but this is just ridiculous. On a side note, I've been listening to Don Johnson Big Band 's (A Finnish rap ensemble) debut a lot lately. It might be a bit far-fetched to say they're influenced by prog, but who knows? I've seen them state Tom Waits, Nick Drake etc. as influences, so the world is much smaller than most of you seem to think. They all play real instruments, you can even hear flute, saxophone and keyboard (sounded like Hammond!) solos on their debut! Their lyrics discuss real topics, not the stuff you hear on MTV. It's certainly not my favorite album, but if what they do isn't music, then I don't know what is. |
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Trickster F.
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:21 | |
Music is 17 minute long mellotron solos and wailing vocals.
What did your daddy teach you?
-- Ivan
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Jimbo
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 09:33 | |
^^
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WaywardSon
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:32 | |
The Cure are`nt anywhere near the same league as Rainbow (Dio Era)`
Robert Smith whines, while Ronnie James Dio is regarded as one of rocks best vocalists.
Add Blackmore and Cozy Powell and you have one of the best line ups of all time.
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 10:56 | |
The Cure blazed their own trail and were a tremendous influence on Post-Punk and eventually spawning the admittedly often dire Goth movement. Rainbow were just another Rock n' Roll band in an near-endless sea of Rock n' Roll bands. Edited by Teaflax - June 18 2006 at 11:00 |
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WaywardSon
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2537 |
Posted: June 18 2006 at 14:14 | |
^^^^
Whatever you say...
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Hector Gilbert
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 16:12 | |
Dälek's album Absence strikes me as being more or less a noisy post-rock record with rapping over it. The melodic sensibilities are totally different to rap music that actually makes it onto the charts, and though not similar to 70s-style prog rock it would be likely to appeal to those here who lean more towards the alternative/post-rock/"avant-garde" groups on the archives.
Then of course there's the sample of Gentle Giant used in Madvillain's album Madvillainy, which I recall resulted in a big thread on this forum in reaction. Though the rhythm-oriented sensibilities in the song remained intact, it did demonstrate that there were people making rap music who were at least interested in prog/psych. Edited by Hector Gilbert - June 18 2006 at 16:12 |
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Teaflax
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Posted: June 18 2006 at 16:16 | |
And DJ Shadow. I don't know to identify them myself, because I'm not
that much of an Obscure Prog Freak, but evidently both Endtroducing....
and The Private Press had plenty of samples from Prog or Prog-like
acts, plus it really has the exploratory sensibility that Prog had
before it became mired down in cliché, repetition and regressed to some
form of extended and slightly more complex Rock music
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