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    Posted: June 13 2014 at 05:06
1964 is an exceptonal year for jazz and along with 1965 probably a peak of sorts. Not that it got downhill after that but in the mid-sixties clubs where shutting down people stopped buying jazz albums and in 1966 Blue Note-founders sold the label (and unreleased masterpieces are still in their shelves). By the end of the 60's rock music had taken over the spotlight completely until jazz had its fusion-comeback. 

Many of you will probably vote for that Mingus-album, and is a beauty but not in my top six. First two here are top three for the whole decade:

1. Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch 
1. Grachan Moncur III - Evolution 
3. Jackie McLean - Destination Out! 
4. Herbie Hancock - Empyrean Isles
5. Andrew Hill - Judgment! 
6. Herbie Hancock - Inventions & Dimensions 

If the half an hour of exceptional bonus-stuff on the Chico Hamilton-reissue was part of the original album, it would have made my top three.

No Sun Ra-album for Mr. Hat to vote for this time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2014 at 06:19


Edited by Svetonio - June 13 2014 at 06:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2014 at 07:11
^A great one, of course. I'll be on holiday for a little while and may not be able to follow up the "action" in these Jazzpolls.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2014 at 07:29
Went with Herbie and Empyrean Isles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2014 at 07:38
Originally posted by AEProgman AEProgman wrote:

Went with Herbie and Empyrean Isles.

It was my introduction to "modern" jazz and a perfect one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2014 at 22:30
Evolution, had a huge impact on me when i first heard it, and remains firmly cemented as one of my favourite albums, regardless of genre.

Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Hank Mobley - No Room for Squares

would be my second and third choices. but there are many on the list i have not heard.

oh, and, i would take Ah Um over The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady any day ;)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2014 at 06:10
Empyrean Isles
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2014 at 06:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2014 at 07:16
Monk's Dream
The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Empyrean Isles



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2014 at 08:24
Originally posted by Apsalar Apsalar wrote:

Evolution, had a huge impact on me when i first heard it, and remains firmly cemented as one of my favourite albums, regardless of genre.

Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Hank Mobley - No Room for Squares

would be my second and third choices. but there are many on the list i have not heard.

oh, and, i would take Ah Um over The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady any day ;)

If Destination Out is among the ones you don't know, it's got two moncur III-compositions I love as much as Evolution's titletrack. 

Ah Um is the Mingus-album for me but like Ayler and Coleman I acknowledge the greatness and importance but I'm not their biggest fan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2014 at 14:50
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

No Sun Ra-album for Mr. Hat to vote for this time.



Not cool man.

Now it's much harder.

Empyrean Isles and Out To Lunch are top notch. Cresent isn't bad when I'm in the mood for it.

I'll go for Out To Lunch this time though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 14 2014 at 16:08
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

No Sun Ra-album for Mr. Hat to vote for this time.



Not cool man.

Now it's much harder.

Empyrean Isles and Out To Lunch are top notch. Cresent isn't bad when I'm in the mood for it.

I'll go for Out To Lunch this time though.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2014 at 04:23
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


If Destination Out is among the ones you don't know, it's got two moncur III-compositions I love as much as Evolution's titletrack. 


just checked, don't have that McLean. picked up a couple of his when digging around for records with Moncur on them, but oddly enough not that one. i'll see if they have it at the store next time i'm in town.   

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


Ah Um is the Mingus-album for me but like Ayler and Coleman I acknowledge the greatness and importance but I'm not their biggest fan.


i know what you mean, when i was living with musicians we had a lot of John Coltrane playing, which was great, but i never found myself personally reaching for his LP's.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2014 at 13:42
I can't say I'm a huge fan of Ornette Coleman either. He was sometimes too focused on the binary reaction of "liberation" from the rules of Western theory. But I do appreciate what Ornette did in the sense that he "liberated" a lot of people to express themselves with fewer boundaries. Coltrane's free stuff is my favorite (particularly Om), because it fit his aesthetic of a spiritual search/pursuit. I haven't done too much exploration of free jazz, though, even though I like a lot of what I've heard. Angels and Demons at Play is the only Sun Ra album I've heard, and I've only heard samples of Cecil Taylor's stuff.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2014 at 05:42
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

I can't say I'm a huge fan of Ornette Coleman either. He was sometimes too focused on the binary reaction of "liberation" from the rules of Western theory. But I do appreciate what Ornette did in the sense that he "liberated" a lot of people to express themselves with fewer boundaries. Coltrane's free stuff is my favorite (particularly Om), because it fit his aesthetic of a spiritual search/pursuit. I haven't done too much exploration of free jazz, though, even though I like a lot of what I've heard. Angels and Demons at Play is the only Sun Ra album I've heard, and I've only heard samples of Cecil Taylor's stuff.

Sounds to me you should check out Pharoah Sanders (reccomendations will come in future polls)

 Angels and Demons is a lovely album but it won't prepare you for Ra's sixties or seventies works. I'm a big fan of early Cecil (ca. 57-62) when he was way ahead of everyone else in a intellectual jazz as Modern art kind of way. But I can't listen to someone banging on a piano for two hours straight no matter how revolutionary others find it. From the mid-sixties and on Andrew Hill's approach to avantgarde/post bop piano is much more to my tastes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2014 at 08:11
Other- Seven Steps to heaven - Miles Davis. Great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2014 at 08:48
^I know many enjoy this post-losing Coltrane-period of Miles too. Its alright I guess but I'm slightly bored uptil he got together his second great quartet. So many of the slightly less known jazzfolks doing so much more interesting things up to 65-66 imo.
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