Songs that Epitomize Each Sub-genre
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Topic: Songs that Epitomize Each Sub-genre
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Subject: Songs that Epitomize Each Sub-genre
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:11
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Hey, Gang! I've finally gotten up the guts and permission to do my own radio show ("Prog Is Alive!" on WDRT community radio in Viroqua, Wisconsin, 91.9 FM or wdrt.org on the Internet, broadcasting live Sunday nights from 10:00 PM to 12:00 Midnight Central Standard Time [now on Daylight Savings Time]). My intention is to bring awareness to the amazing "progressive rock music" being created in this, the 21st Century, but I will also be referencing the past masters and classics from the past--from the "classic" period of Prog, 1966-80. I am hoping to count on some of you for some advice and/or recommendations from time to time. Right now I'm looking for suggestions for individual songs from the 60s/70s that epitomize each of the sub-genres. For example, what one song do you think best represents the Canterbury Scene; which one song best represents Krautrock; which one song in your opinion is the best example from Prog Folk to help educate a sometimes ignorant public, etc. My intention is to use one individual song to help prep the listener for the modern music from that sub-genre that I am excited to share with them. Any and all help for any of these sub-genres will be greatly appreciated! Avant/RIO Crossover Canterbury Eclectic Electronic Heavy Prog Jazz Rock Jazz Fusion Krautrock Neo-medieval/Baroque Prog Neoclasssical Prog Prog Folk Psychedelia RPI Space/Atmospheric Symphonic Zeuhl Thank you so much! Sincerely, Drew Fisher aka "BrufordFreak" ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:25
awesome Drew!  Let us know when the first one is... I definitely want to tune in!!------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:26
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I'll think on some suggestions and post them later on this evening. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:27
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Great idea, Drew! I'll start with some of my favourite subgenres: Canterbury - Winter Wine (Caravan) Eclectic - Starless (King Crimson - what else  ?)Heavy Prog - Death Walks Behind You (Atomic Rooster) Zeuhl - Hortz Fur Dëhn Štekëhn Ẁešt (Magma) I'll have to think about the other genres, especially Crossover, Prog Folk and Jazz Rock, which have very diverse manifestations. As you asked for songs from the original prog era, I left anything modern out. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 16:42
hmmm. tossing off a few here for the pleasure of it... RPI? - oh yeah.. THIS one. If one is inclined to be hooked.. this one will do it. Canterbury? I agree darling. Caravan for sure. I"m partial to this one. If only to be able to sing 'on a trip through Picadilly' in ones best attempt at singing with those loveable accents those brits have. heavy prog? for shame. Though I suppose if I hadn't LOST the frickin album you would have remembered to suggest THE heavy prog track of all time. MASSIVE.. CRUSHING.. COWBELL!!! the sh*t!!! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Raff wrote:Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 20:23
I had three of the four you suggest on my short lists. I don't know Atomic Rooster. I'll have to give it a listen. THANKS!!! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 15 2015 at 20:36
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Mickey: PFM, for sure, but I was thinking something from Per un amico cuz their sound and engineering is a bit more evolved by then. I'll think on this one. . . . "Waterloo Lily" is a good one! I'll take that one under heavy advisement! Didn't know Captain Beyond before this moment. That is on the spot--great power vocals, solid pulse, great guitar sounds, excellent recording/engineering. This is as good as a Uriah Heep, BÖC, Sabbath, Spirit, or Iron Butterfly. (I was actually thinking of finagling either a BOC Secret Treaties two-fer or something from Led Zep.) Thanks for the suggestions! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 08:17
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Close to the Edge pretty much nailed symphonic. Initerstellar Overdrive would work for me for space rock. Raff's suggestion for zeuhl anc mickey's for heavy prog would get my vote. ------------- 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 08:44
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Hi,
If we can get the Portsmouth Sinfonia to do a version for each style, then it's all good.
Anything else is nuts ... choosing Caravan over Hatfield and the North or Matching Mole or anything else is totally out of line and brutal! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 10:27
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^Do you even bother reading the OP before you post? Drew is preparing to do a radio show where he seeks to enlighten his listeners with progressive music found in the different subs. He is merely asking us for recs from each of em to cover as much ground as possible. That's how I read it anyway, but you are of course free to believe whatever you want. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 10:36
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Oh and as for the Krautrock choice, then why not opt for the bewitching Egyptian Kings by Brainticket;-) Indo/Raga: Clivage - Mixtus Orbis (title track) but I guess that's a given:-P ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 11:41
Ack! Gasp! Ack! *clutches heart* "I'm coming home, Ethel!" (You can skip their last album without missing much, though.) -------------
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 11:43
 I only like their debut, amazing album |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 15:33
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 16:02
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There has been considerable debate on exactly when Neo Prog (I'm assuming that you're using NeoClassical for Neo) started, most agree that it was 82 with Twelfth Night or 83 with Marillion so it will be difficult getting something in the 70's that we define as Neo by our categorization.
With that being said, 'Entangled' by Genesis is often referred to as the song that is the precursor to the movement. If you're looking for something that fits our categorization then I'd recommend 'Script for a Jester's Tears' by Marillion even though it's not from the 70's. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 17:32
^ haha. Just pick a Genesis song man for Neo.. they were the first you know  well.. let me take a stab it this. Avant/RIO - I'd suggest something from Univers Zero.. ties in very neatly to what I am hearing in the modern scene today. Crossover - I don't think the Moodies translate well from 60's-70's to what you are gunnin' for in terms of modern groups. Supertramp comes to mind.. but I'll offer this as an alternative to perhaps the obvious choice of groups. Canterbury - yeah.. sticking with Waterloo Lily. Eclectic - umm hmmm... now this is eclectic prog and one of the finist albums of the subgenre. Electronic - how could I NOT suggest this one. Frose's finest....RIP man. I get a contact high just listening to this. Heavy Prog - oh yeah. I Can't Feel Nothin' Jazz Rock - none better man... Jazz Fusion - oh hell yeah.. Krautrock - picking this.. like UZ above to perhaps help you with tieing this in .. classic to modern. I love Can.. everyone loves Can. This one I think can show just this scene touched modern music. Neo-medieval/Baroque Prog - what the hell is that? Oh.. you mean this group Neoclasssical Prog - hahahha what the hell is that.=? Oh ... you mean this guy Prog Folk - oh yeah forget that Tull bullsh*t.. go with this killer album Psychedelia - the one and only.. RPI - definitely PFM.. good luck chosing one Space/Atmospheric - this will have your listeners firing up J's a plenty!! Symphonic -scare the hell out of your listeners hahah.. all the while while showing them some great sympho Zeuhl - agree with Raff! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 17:44
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This beauty would fit in both Prog Folk and Neo-Medieval: As regards RPI, though PFM are outstanding, we would also need to showcase the subgenre's heavier/darker edge. I think this stunning anti-war song encapsulates both aspects of my native country's prog scene: |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 17:50
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^ god I LOVE that Pentangle song... excellent choice yeah.. I agree with you on the RPI edginess.. which is why I suggested what I did over something from Per Un Amico. Then again... you go Francesco there. Hard choice I suppose between the two bands. I'd suggest Metamorfosi for Banco then.. man that cooks and Francesco shows up at the end to bring it all back home. The vocals are important .. just as much as the edginess so common in RPI. Don't forget that for the vast majority of us twerps.. we don't undersand a damn word .. thus the voice is much more reinforced as the instrument it is without the distraction of crappy half-baked lyric so prevalent in prog ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 17:57
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Actually, the lyrics to "Dopo... Niente e' piu' lo stesso" are as stunning as the music, but I wouldn't presume to butcher them with a bad translation. Poetry should be left alone as much as possible, unless you're a poet yourself (and I am not). |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 18:04
amen sista... now all if the muso-philosophers thought the same.. and left the thinking to the thinkers.. the prog world would have been a better place. I have about the same desire to listen to some muso who had a nice education think he has the world figured out... as I do some philosopher who bought a Fender Strat and figured.. hey.. I can be a prog musician. No thanks.. muso should just play.. leave the thinking for the book readers in us ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 18:10
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Captain Beyond?! Come on people! I would say The Mars Volta, but since we're talking radio i'd say Porcupine Tree would be a great place to look for Heavy Prog. Maybe Way Out Of Here from them would work? ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 18:15
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read the OP's post for what he is looking for.. he is a motive (and timeframe) for the selection choices. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 18:17
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BAH HUMBUG
My apologizes, I blame my skimming  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 18:22
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I am one of the worst skimmers you'll ever meet actually ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 19:02
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neo-prog: Marillion - Blind Curve heavy-prog - Uriah Heep - Paradise/The Spell eclectic: King Crimson - Starless |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 19:17
GREAT choices for modern prog, but I'm looking for 'classics' that establish where modern prog came from. Any ideas? ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 19:19
Right on with those! Each in my top 5's! Thanks! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 19:21
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Thanks SO MUCH Mickey & Raff! You've given me a tremendous start. Now I have to listen to all of those samples you sent me (on my rural ultra-slow internet). ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 19:32
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I know it's practically cliche, but if you're looking from where a lot of the influences came from I'm going to have to say it is pretty hard to reject Rush. Farewell, 2112, Hemispheres.. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 21:19
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Avant/RIO - Henry Cow - Living In The Heart Of The Beast (IPOL) Crossover - Supertramp - Crime Of The Century (COTC) Canterbury - Caravan - Winter Wine (ITLOG&P) Eclectic - King Crimson - Starless (Red) Electronic - Tangerine Dream - Rubycon Pt1 (Rubycon) Heavy Prog - Atomic Rooster - Tomorrow Night (Death Walks ...) Jazz Rock/Fusion - Return To Forever - Medieval Overture (Romantic Warrior) Krautrock - Amon Duul II - Soap Shop Rock (Yeti) Psychedelic - Pink Floyd - Astronomy Domine (PATGOD) Prog Folk - Jethro Tull - Cross Eyed Mary (Aqualung) RPI - PFM - Per Un Amico (Per Un Amico) Space - Hawkwind - Brainstorm (Doremi Fasol Latido) Symphonic - Yes - Siberian Khatru (CTTE) Zeuhl - Magma - De Futura (Udu Wudu) Not my favorites but what I'd pick as representative.
------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 16 2015 at 23:27
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Avant/RIO - Frank Zappa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5myH_QnasQ" rel="nofollow - Bogus Pomp Crossover - Supertramp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tODaH_fGtMY" rel="nofollow - Breakfast In America Canterbury - Robert Wyatt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2TUb51oukc" rel="nofollow - Little Red Riding Hood Hit The Road Eclectic Prog - King Crimson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgljr6pOBpg" rel="nofollow - The Talking Drum Electronic - Tangerine Dream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwNwU34yvNg" rel="nofollow - Movements Of A Visionary Heavy Prog - Uriah Heep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQBSeclvMV8" rel="nofollow - Salisbury Jazz Rock - Steely Dan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG2seugAgnU" rel="nofollow - Aja Jazz Fusion - Return to Forever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7CWdbkKHIs" rel="nofollow - Vulcan Worlds Krautrock - Can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtBixE0NRFc" rel="nofollow - Peking O Prog Folk - Jethro Tull https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diOuUYcenW0" rel="nofollow - The Whistler Progressive Psychedelia - Pink Floyd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn51ivJPFzw" rel="nofollow - Alan Psychedelic Breakfast RPI - Le Orme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgrk3cTSTc" rel="nofollow - La fabbricante d'angeli Space Rock- Steve Hillage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygGJkHiiGyQ" rel="nofollow - Lunar Musick Suite Symphonic Rock - Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHl6sDLX8tQ" rel="nofollow - Heart of the Sunrise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwhS0htex9Q" rel="nofollow - Neo Prog - Genesis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2kRc2aHTnk" rel="nofollow - One For The Vine Zeuhl - Magma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5dQoRCdCQ4" rel="nofollow - Nebehr Guttahtt Indo/Raga - Codona https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL0p3lgXVVM" rel="nofollow - Codona NeoClassical Prog - Sky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_WBmqQyLdo" rel="nofollow - Where Opposites Meet Atmospheric - Brian Eno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R-mscnjI14" rel="nofollow - Music For Airports 2/1 ------- Proto Prog - Deep Purple https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGW3jeZCFcQ" rel="nofollow - Anthem Prog Related - The Who https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYjgWTctQR0" rel="nofollow - Doctor Jimmy |
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 00:07
| How about Can-Utility for symphonic? Probably as good a quick summary as there is. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 00:32
I agree, this is an amazing song! I just saw the Canadian band The Musical Box perform this live, it was excellent! I also believe that Captain Beyond's first LP is a fine example of heavy progressive rock, especially the "Dancing Madly Backwards" suite. My own recommendation for Jazz Rock Fusion is Brand X's fantastic "Deadly Nightshade," and I prefer Amon Duul II's "Wolf City" for Krautrock.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 02:31
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crossover-prog - Procol Harum - In Held 'Twas In I symphonic prog - Renaissance - Ashes Are Burning jazz-rock fusion - Brand X - Nuclear Burn |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 02:46
There wasn't Prog Metal in that classic era 60/70s prog Also, he didnt ask that we post the lists of our favourite songs by the bands from different genres, he asked that we suggest to him the songs that will represent each of PA genres at its best in our opinion.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 02:54
and you're picking on me because you're holding a grudge for yesterday right? and you say One of the Vine by Genesis is neo-prog? now if the OP told me I screwed up, I would understand, as for yourself... |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 03:48
Yea, One For The Vine is a great example for late 70s neo prog style. But, maybe Squonk is even better example of neo; what you think, Christi?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 03:56
Yea, One For The Wine is a great example for late 70s neo prog style. But, maybe Squonk is even better example of neo; what you think, Christi?
[/QUOTE]well, don't help then. I made a new post. No, you cannot mention Genesis as neo-prog, whatever song you may mention. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 04:05
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 05:20
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A lot of people (here on PA and elsewhere) consider Genesis' A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering as the main inspiration for the original Neo Prog bands, so Svetonio does have a point. Regarding prog metal, obviously the subgenre as we know it now did not exist in the Seventies, but some songs by iconic metal bands might be considered as examples of proto-progressive metal. Case in point: Judas Priest's "Victim of Changes" and "Beyond the Realms of Death". |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 05:29
 reading the OP is informative to say the least, it didn't ask for examples of Neo Prog.   Crossover ... Moody Blues - The Story In Your Eyes Canterbury ... Egg - Seven Is A Jolly Good Time Eclectic ... Van der Graaf Generator - Man Erg Electronic ... Tangerine Dream - Ricochet, Part One Heavy Prog ... Babe Ruth - The Mexican Jazz Rock ... Mahavishnu Orchestra - Thousand Island Park Jazz Fusion ... pass Krautrock ... Neu! - Negativeland Neo-medieval/Baroque Prog ... has to be Gryphon - Gulland Rock Neoclasssical Prog ... The Enid - In The Region Of the Summer Stars (track) Prog Folk ... Tim Buckley - Phantasmagoria In Two Psychedelia ... Kaleidoscope - In The Room Of Percussion (not really, it's just one of my favourites )RPI ... Le Orme - Ritratto Di Un Mattino Space/Atmospheric ... Hawkwind - The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke) Symphonic ... Renaissance - Innocence Zeuhl ... Magma - meh, no idea, pass ------------- What? |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 05:43
Saying that Trick and W&W inspired neo-prog is one thing, labeling these two albums as neo-prog is another. I screwed things up with my progressive metal post which I edited (but it's here cause it got quoted), my mistake, I should have read the original post more carefully. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 06:09
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Avant/RIO................: Henry Cow - Beautiful as the Moon - Terrible as an Army with Banners Crossover................: Supertramp - Fool's Overture Canterbury...............: Khan - Space Shanty Eclectic.................: Gnidrolog - Lady Lake Electronic...............: Klaus Schulze - Mental Door Heavy Prog...............: Rush - Xanadu Jazz Rock................: Jazz Fusion..............: Krautrock................: Neo-medieval/Baroque Prog: Gentle Giant - Raconteur, Troubadour Neoclasssical Prog.......: Prog Folk................: Jethro Tull - Hunting Girl Psychedelia..............: Pink Floyd - Interstellar Overdrive RPI......................: Space/Atmospheric........: Pink Floyd - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (Ummagumma or Pompeiï version) Symphonic................: Genesis - Firth of Fifth Zeuhl....................: Magma - Kobaïa
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 06:22
If Neo Prog style didn't start with Merillion's Script for a Jester's Tear the album (1983), then One for the Vine is a great example of Neo Prog song recorded in seventies.
In fact, BrufordFreak asks not for the champion bands of the PA genres, but for the songs that will best represent the genres at his radio show. So, for example, I could put on my list Genesis' The Knife as heavy prog song instead of Uriah Heep Salisbury and to not make a mistake at all; it's a same thing with One for the Vine as Neo Prog song as well. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 07:47
It sounds complicated, to me neo-prog started with Twelfth Night, Marillion and IQ. It makes sense, to make a distinction concerning the new wave of bands trying to play progressive rock, symphonic prog inspired, in the 80s. As for bands belonging to god knows what genres, I've seen German band Jane being labeled as Krautrock. Is it a mistake? I wouldn't say that. Deep Purple is labeled as proto-prog, heavy prog, prog related, hard rock, heavy psych, heavy metal. Which is it? Or is it all of them?  And the one I dislike the most is seeing Black Sabbath labeled as doom metal or god forbid stoner. And I could think of some more. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 08:22
The solution is album-tagging and multi-tagging. This way we could document the various styles that a band covered in their lifetime and categorise their albums to more helpfully to anyone one interested in a particular sound. It must be emphasised that once you hear an album for yourself any prior categorisation of that album becomes essentially meaningless, it is merely a guide for those who haven't heard it. Categorising bands is an exercise in futility because bands have an annoying habit of deliberately defying convention. None of the early Neo Prog bands thought they were creating a new subgenre of Progressive Rock music and I would be very surprised if any of them considered themselves or the albums they recorded to be neo anything at the time. They were young Prog bands continuing the established genre and the Neo Prog tag is something that was applied to them retrospectively. They certainly were not new-wave bands trying to play Progressive Rock - some of these bands, while not securing a recording contract until the early 80s, had their origins in the late 70s - simply listening to the early (demo & tape) recordings of Twelfth Night reveals no "new-wave" influence or stylings. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 09:10
you nailed it |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 13:48
Thanks, Dean! You honor me!
------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 14:00
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Babe Ruth can be a bit of an acquired taste on account of the singer, a woman by the name of Janita (Jenny) Haan. If you, like me, love powerful, gutsy female vocalists, you will probably love "The Mexican". If you, on the other hand, prefer your lady singers on the angelic side, you might want to give this one a pass. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 14:24
Avoiding the obvious choice of Kings and Queens really. Nah, I just prefer Keith and Jane Relf's Renaissance over later incarnations of the band. But the album that Innocence comes from was the first full-blown symphonic album IMO, and the piano on that track is just sublime.------------- What? |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 16:51
Babe Ruth should pique the curiosity of many a listener. The third (eponymous) album is great, too. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 16:52
I would add "2112" by Rush and definitely "Stargazer" by Rainbow as sterling examples of templates for progressive metal. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 17:15
Indeed - though I would replace "2112" with the whole of A Farewell to Kings, which in my view is stronger and more cohesive in terms of composition. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 17:37
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Stargazer was simply brilliant. Rising remains one of my favourite albums ever. A tribute to RJD might well follow later. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 17:50
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perhaps something from High Tide. covers both bases... fundamental essential heavy prog... and proto progressive doom metal! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 18:06
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 18:06
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Nice list, else! Thanks!
Thanks so much for your time and efforts! You definitely gave me several to consider that I'd overlooked! Awesome! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 18:09
Definitely a few mentions here that are more in line with my thinking. Before Rush 'took over' the sub-genre there were proto-Rush bands, nest-ce pas? ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 18:13
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those proto Rush bands were far more interesting IMO. Rush is popular yeah yeah yeah we all get that.. we all love the group to various degrees.. but heavy prog started with DP in the late 60's. It was around, even perfected well before Rush were known to anyone outside of their immediately family man... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 19:07
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For Prog Electronic, if time is an issue try these. Not sure I would say any of them exactly epitomize PE like any of the longer songs, but they are killer tracks. Klaus Schulze - Frank Herbert Tangerine Dream - 3A.M. At The Border Of The Marsh From Okefenokee Kraftwerk -Trans Europa Express Zanov - Machine Desperation Jean Michel-Jarre - Oxygene Part One Ose - L'Aube Jumelle Harmonia - Watussi Vangelis - Pulsar Conrad Schnitzler - Black Nails Igor Wakhevitch - Twilight And Call Of The Ascending Spirit Gave about ten more songs than you asked for and much more of a varied sound than you asked for. ------------- 
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 19:24
I agree!! Especially all these bands you guys are sharing with me that are totally new to me! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 19:27
Awesome list! I only know about half of them (Jarre, Schnitzler, Schulze, TD, and Kraftwerk) so I'm excited to listen to the 'new' ones! THANKS! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 19:58
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Guess you didn't like my list ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 20:00
Rising is one of my all time favorite albums & Stargazer is outstanding. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: March 17 2015 at 20:01
^ @ brufordfreak. The songs by Schnitzler and Wakhevitch are there mostly because I could put them there. They really don't epitomize PE very well.  -------------
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Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 06:16
 "Heart Of The Sunrise" is probably the best proposal to portray symphonic prog. "Salisbury"(title track) as an example that have to describe clearly the 70s heavy prog is quite understandable. "The Talking Drum" is a perfect choice for eclectic prog - i see that people tend to favour "Starless" - undoubtedly it is a great KC song but "Starless" could be a symph too because of a lot of melodic 'tron and that famous Fripp's melancholic guitar solo.
Though, i think that "Songs From The Wood" (title track) is without a real rivarly for a sample of prog folk.
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 10:02
I appreciate your restraint! Awesome list! Don't know how I missed Page 2 ! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 11:02
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My comment was honest and not meant to be derogatory, but if you can not see anything else, you always point to the other person! Going on the radio and "thinking" that you can "represent" a lot of music scenes is naive ... and probably silly. It's a nice idea, but not something that most folks will agree on, and in the end, he will likely put together song after song that do not gel properly or segue properly with each other, and end up turning off his audience instead of getting them excited about hearing something else. NOW, if this was about songs from TODAY's BANDS that could be considered to approximate that particular description that is now used for a style or two, I think it would be much more interesting ... but I would agree, that is cheating on my part, because I have heard the older stuff ... but the older folks that liked most of this stuff were not into a singles/hit/song style of thing ... and it might turn them off. Radio, is a finicky and strange place ... and a lot of folks "up there" love spending their time putting down the listeners, btw, for their uneducated tastes! I would imagine that it would be far easier to just do his show, get attention towards it, and then find an audience because of his choices ... but if this is as dry as a dictionary or an encyclopaedia, I am not sure that he will get enough support beyond that which he can drum up! Trust me, I got to see Space Pirate Radio get off the ground and into the air ... and while, in the end, it became fantastic, the rest that went around it was not exactly a party, and the effort was insane ... with the folks in the station even making fun of the music on top of it! For them it was not about the music, but the ego! And music that was not top ten was not considered music or worthy of attention ... and you live in that environment, right here, in a way. That has not changed in 45 years!!!!!! Think about it! All in all, if the gentleman is into the music itself, he will likely survive ... but it won't always be fun. But when he is looking for "examples", instead of him feeling out the music for himself, I am not sure that this is going to make it ... you need every bit of yourself in the 3rd and 4th and 5th and all the way to the umpteenth effort to make it, and when you are just feeling out "examples", you are merely making it look like you know the music, and you probably don't! It's not about the "style" ... and I can say that Space Pirate Radio showed that 45 years ago! But for a top ten audience it is hard to discuss styles, but it can be done ... do you want to? ... can you do this week in and out without being repetitious? ... because if you think you can keep an audience happy by just playing this or that ... you will lose them after 20 minuntes or something like it. It's his choice! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 11:13
They both work fine, I chose Side A of 2112 because it predates AFtK. The former is a nice kick in the pants considering how far back it came out. IMO, Blackmore's Rainbow also beat Deep Purple at their same game, and were heading into different, heavier territory with Long Live Rock 'n Roll. (Things changed when Ronnie Dio left.) ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 11:20
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^^Do you think people who make use of these stickers naturally develop a top of the pops, hit single, music is sports type of thinking? If you do that, then I truly feel sorry for you - the way all of this must look to you.....but I do think you're mistaken, and you should be pleased about that. I often throw around other stickers as well - beatnik, Bebop, Dadaism and expressionism, but that doesn't mean I fail to enjoy or "get" any of the art hiding underneath the simple aesthetic of a name. And no, you're right; it's not about the style - it never was nor will be. It's about the music. Everything else is just dancing about architecture, but then again, that just so happens to be the foundation of any music site out there, including PA. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 21:48
Thanks for the time you took to make this list, Svetonio. Some of your suggestions are from years a bit later than I was hoping for (66-76 was my ideal span to glean from). ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 21:59
I gotta check out this song "The Talking Drum"! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 18 2015 at 22:29
A well structured song with an incredible and pretty modern sounding intro, amazing Lord solo, stunning Blackmore - Lord interplay what along with its atmosphere made it very (heavy) prog song without a question; strong Gillan's voice at its best and all of that in less than 6 minutes!Oh and if that (best) part of Eno's Music for Airports is also too long, please check GonG's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFhaAUnfObE" rel="nofollow - Bambooji If you wish that Atmospheric and Space Rock to be in one song, then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEgZeZgZ248" rel="nofollow - A Sprinkling of Clouds would be a great example.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 19 2015 at 00:37
The Talking Drum is an instrumental track actually. If you wanna to put in your list an uncompromised eclectic prog song, and yet to be vocally, try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BObYZfOQwoI" rel="nofollow - The Weaver's Answer by Family. |