Uhm no? have you ever heard of something called Hip-Hop. A youth movement that began because they couldn't even afford their own instruments to play.

 

Not a good joke. Hip hop movement started way back in the 70s'

 

Punk was the perceived enemy of all music other than punk.

 

Frankly, I  never cared for any of the punk stuff though there was definitely energy there.

First off, NYC was the pits in the seventies. Greenwich Village became a rundown slum after the folk artists split for greener pastures and the fledgling punk scene was a kind of embodiment of the decay of the city, spiritually and morally.

 

It was not uncommon to see someone like Paul Simon in a summer Central Park concert and then checkout the punks at CBGB's. Most punk bands were actually good musicians that played down their chops and played very sloppy sets as that's what the music called for.

 

Sventonio is correct on one key point. Album sales were becoming big business in the seventies and record company scouts were all over NYC. That's how bands like Blue Oyster Cult got their start along with people like Billy Joel. Both were from neighboring Long Island.

 

I, and my friends, generally preferred to escape the city drudgery by going to Madison Square Garden and seeing bands like ELP, Pink Floyd, Yes and Tull. We actually thought the whole punk thing would just be contained to NYC and eventually die out.

 

The so-called first wave of the Velvet Underground and the MC5 were a joke. They were not popular in NYC and the Velvets actually took up residence in Boston, Mass. The MC5 stayed at home in Detroit, I assume.

 

Punk did eventually die out and pretty quickly but not before doing a whirlwind on both coasts, crossing the Atlantic and spawning New Wave. That's how I remember it. Very quick and not making a lot of sense, even to a native New Yorker.

 

 

 

 

Naaaah... That's like saying CDs killed vinyls : totally inaccurate >> vinyls were killed by cassettes (portability reasons: ghetto blaster, walkman), which in turned were killed by the CD (especially once the discman came in)

 

Punk didn't kill "prog"

 

Prog committed suicide by getting fat, old, tired, spoiled, uninspired and often ridiculous by 78

 

 

 

You mean that bands like Genesis ELP and GG were wiped out from the Yougoslavian state radio airwaves of 77 or 79 by The Clash and TSP??

 

Because your post talks about a decade later than the "punk" explosion, who strated in August 76 (the Mont-De-Marsan punk festival in France) until the fall of 77... after that , we can talk of new wave

 

If anything in Canada during the late 70's, Toronto (Ontario in general) got somewhat influenced by the London-punk-scene, but it affected few people... the then-contemporary disco-craze did much more damage than punk in that regard

And in Montreal  (Quebec in general), disco really wiped out all prog bands except for the ones who had a squerer rock format... which only leaves Octobre and Offenbach (and its offshoot Corbeau) by the start of the 80's.  There , prog got "killed"... but by disco twits.

 

 

OK, no idea what the Yugoslavian radio (were there any other than state radios?) played in the 70's, but I certainly wasn't picturing them playing King Crimson or Genesis in 71 or 75.  or The Clash in 77, FTM... I mean even Belgian radios didn't... we had to resort to France Inter

 

I mean, I'm sure there were underground networks in Serbia, but nothing mainstream/official (and neither punk nor prog were mainstream in  the 70's), AFAIK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You said it tried to (which basically the same).... but even then, 99% of runks only wanted their 1/4h of fame and a spot in the sun.... All they wanted was to be able to find a spot in society back then. Their horizons were solidly blocked because of the severe economic crisis the UK was in - Europe in general, but the UK was paralized by permanent strikes. It was no wonder a lot of these young punks were pro-Tatcher (though only Paul Weller of The Jam admitted to it openly)

 

 

Obviously, nobody had the intention to kill anyone (until the Oy punk and hardcore punk movements came in the the early 80's)

 

 

 

Svetonio wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Svetonio wrote: I said that the Yugoslavian prog was destroyed by the punk because, after all that punk histeria, the new kids were lost the motive to form the prog bands, only punk/post-punk. It was like a good football team that was left without the junior team. Yugoslavian radio stations were played all of important and "important" albums of the time, and therefore they were playing a lot of punk. OK, no idea what the Yugoslavian radio (were there any other than state radios?) played in the 70's, but I certainly wasn't picturing them playing King Crimson or Genesis in 71 or 75. or The Clash in 77, FTM... I mean even Belgian radios didn't... we had to resort to France Inter I mean, I'm sure there were underground networks in Serbia, but nothing mainstream/official (and neither punk nor prog were mainstream in the 70's), AFAIK. They were played the foreign prog regurarly, for example that fm radio station "Beograd 202" (which still exists as 'classic rock' oriented station) was played the foreign prog bands in 70s a lot because the station is a daughter-company of that offical Radio and Television of Belgrade who also owns one of the major record companies here, PGP RTB, who was printed here, under licence, the albums by Jethro Tull, Genesis, Gong, Rick Wakeman, Mike Oldfield, Return to Forever, Steely Dan, Tangerine Dream, Can, etc. And "Beograd 202" were played all of them. Also, we have here in Belgrade that fm station "Studio B" which was also rock oriented radio in 70s so they played everything of that time; some more "avant" stuff they were played during the night, e.g. King Crimson's songs from LTiA or Red.

 

Only the famous prog bands did that though...

The Rock in Opposition Movement, and a few bands like Islands and Cathedral were just as amazing as ever in the late 70s!

 

Let's face it, who knew of those RIO bands back then? a gew hundreds worldwide?? probably not even that much.

Between their birth and disbandement in the mid-80's, UZ and Présent played roughly 25 concerts throughout all  those years... They've played twice that much since reforming in the later 90's.

Not sue Aksak played that much, despite FF and CC's presence for the second album.

 

Etron Fou , Art Bears and Stormy Six might have played more gigs, because they sang... and that attracts a fairly different crowd.

 

 

 

1) Disenfranchised youth with poor economic situation in the UK in the late 70's.

2) Rock music not connecting with the youth, getting more corporate and safe

3) Malcolm McClaren seeing the opportunity to market New York Dolls & Television style bands in the UK

4) Popular music at the time being disco and extremely plastic

5) Opportunity for the punk 'look' to be a fashion fad with the emphasis on being different.

Once it got mainstream media on board very few people who dressed as punks actually embraced the ethos that kicked off the movement. 

Still a bunch of good bands came out of the movement.

 

As for hip hop, I'll focus on punk for the time being.

They built off the rough riffs of garage rock by making them fast-paced and uniquely toned, built off the distortion stylings of Dick Dale and the early hard rock bands to create a "buzzsaw" quality, and enshrined power chords as being as much the tools of non-metallic bands as metal ones by crimping them from The Kinks and The Who.

In combination with a DIY philosophy and a conquest of the underground, they offered a particularly lucrative replacement for pre-1977 rock, one with plenty of immediate room to experiment.

 

 

It certainly was an attitude. England also loves a music current where fashion/looks intervenes (this could be where Prog's failure to remain popular in the UK >> no particular look, except for Wakeman's stardust-sprinkled capes)... and punk certainly fitted that criteria (not talking of the Mohawk haircuts, which happened in the early 80's) , just like Glam rock (somewhat it's predecessor)

I'd call punk's other  "Approximative Rock"

 

Outside TSP and the Clash's first two albums, I'd say that punk was not all that aggressive (sonically speaking), it was more of a cry for help, given their No Future plea/moto.

 

Sonic agression came with Hardcore (Black Flag, for ex) or these extremist/fascist/racist Oy punk bands (Oy is "Hi" in skinhead circles)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but I can't see punk as anything more than regressive, which, I might add, is not a bad thing in itself.