Innovation vs. Emotion
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Topic: Innovation vs. Emotion
Posted By: DDPascalDD
Subject: Innovation vs. Emotion
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 11:01
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An interesting choice, and really seeing forward to seeing this result. Without emotion, most music doesn't touch you. Though renewing/creativity/progressiveness is very very important too, especcially prog. Also I think it'd be very nice to see some percentages. My thoughts: Renewing 65% - emotion 35% Main reason is because creative new things makes most (old) music worth remembering. IMO the best tracks are mainly the best because of progressive new things and not only emotion. I can listen (and also many more times) very well to very renewing and not emotional music, but emotional cliché music is getting a bit boring though I think. Also being renewing takes much more than playing something emotional. Of course this is all very subjective, but though emotion is def. essential. ------------- |
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 11:08
Wow... Sorry, but I've never ever thought of music like that. I generally don't like to mix numbers and music. Then again I do have some kind of synaesthesia in that I see colours, lights and shapes when I listen to music, so I'm far more occupied with the ride and feel of it all. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 11:28
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Renewing? ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 11:57
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^ English might not be his native tongue. I think he meant innovation/creativity. Emotion vs. innovation. If you put a gun to my head, I'd say "emotion", some kind of a connection with the music. But I'd rather have both because I get sick of hearing the same set of artists/bands over and over again.
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DDPascalDD wrote:Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 12:04
Ah - understandable. Not quite sure how I missed that - it is too early for me.  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 21:54
| How about finding new ways of doing emotional music? |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 21:55
| It would be really good if the OP could edit his title thread and original post to change Renewing for Innovation, as mentioned before, I believe that's what was actually meant. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 22:29
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Carrousel is a lie. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 22:54
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I suppose I don't really value either. I guess renewing. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 03:39
It is indeed, didn't need OP to edit. ------------- |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 05:01
| ^ How did you edit the thread title and the poll option without the OP? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 05:41
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hes omnipotent -------------  
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 05:46
| They are not contraries. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 09:03
| Why not both? I find both to be very important elements in the music I listen to. |
Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 11:16
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1. Just @edit post, like you normally edit a post 2. No they aren't and also it's (obviously) the best when combined, but what do you think is more important? ------------- |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 11:19
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 11:20
what he said.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 12:20
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Hmmmmmm, maybe innovation, then emotion... ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 15:22
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Posted By: DDPascalDD
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 15:37
To TGM: orb and manuel ------------- |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 03 2015 at 22:47
Well, you are the OP (original poster), so indeed you needed yourself to edit the OP (original post). 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 01:14
This is one instance where I would have preferred a 'both' option.  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 14:07
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Innovative definition in Progfreak : Music which avoids copying the style and ideas of other artists and focuses on creating something unique instead. This is easier said than done, and often music which you identify as being innovative in fact is not, you simply don't (yet) know the artists which were copied from. http://progfreak.com/Artists-Albums-Tags-50698.html?path=tags/musical/musical_attributes/innovative" rel="nofollow - http://progfreak.com/Artists-Albums-Tags-50698.html?path=tags/musical/musical_attributes/innovative I pick Emotion . |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 14:15
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 14:20
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Innovation is more important for those writing the history of music and emotion is more important for music listening. But I voted the former because that way the score gave 5 votes for the former and 15 votes for the latter. And 1/4 innovation + 3/4 emotion seems like a perfect mix. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 21:52
OK, I think going with this very literal perception of innovation would be a little bit extreme... and it would leave just about every artist/album/song we consider innovative out of the definition. However, you somehow convinced me to vote for emotion now. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 22:08
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Innovation, of course. Some emotion is always there.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 05:14
Hi. Honestly You convinced me to pick Emotion by your first post. I like your Point of View about this topic and Agree with you.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 12 2018 at 23:54
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How do we hear innovation. How do one notice when music is made out of innovative means/methods. Can innovtion be emoted, can emotion be innovative. -------------
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: July 13 2018 at 03:12
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I'm not convinced that emotion is something inherent in music, as opposed to a subjective - and to an extent culturally programmed - response to it by the listener. The music that makes Fred happy might make Joe sad and have no effect on Matilda. Particularly if Fred is Italian, Joe is Japanese and Matilda is from Arcturus. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 10 2018 at 22:39
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My emotional reaction to the music is more important to me than their musical innovation. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 10 2018 at 22:57
| If music doesn´t wake my emotions, I don´t have no reason to listen it. Most of today´s music just doesn´t do that and that´s the reason why I listen so much older music. |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: August 11 2018 at 15:58
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Emotion rules over innovation – no emotion, or at least a trip that will keep senses busy (that could also be called an emotional process) = no reason to listen ! Innovation isn't essential but is of course this powerful tool to create very special (new kinds of?) emotions related to the unknown (surprises etc – drawn from new trips ?) : so in the meaning that it serves emotion it is completely welcome ! ------------- http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing ! https://bandcamp.com/machinechance/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - bandcamp collection |
Posted By: Fischman
Date Posted: August 11 2018 at 16:17
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Neither or both. (to prevent any misunderstanding, I'm saying up front that the following is highly subjective) The thing with emotion it's only good if it's an emotion you can relate to. Lot's of emotional stuff out there that is just silly, whiny, or bitchy sounding, or just plain pathetic. The thing with innovation is that it's only good if it's worthwhile innovation. It's not uncommon to hear something brand new and think... well, there's a reason nobody's done that before; it sounds like crap!
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 15:55
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I admire innovation in prog I love emotion in prog
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: August 12 2018 at 16:22
I agree!  ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 14:01
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I hate emotions. I want to be a robot.
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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: August 13 2018 at 16:49
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I don't know if I'll be able to answer this in a precise way, but I'll try. Innovation/progress is a double-edged sword and can be a bad thing, and I'm not talking about music, but in general. Anyway, back in the 70's punk was really innovative and was deemed "the new thing" and yet it was extremely regressive, almost a primal movement. Some liked it, some not, but you can't say you like "innovation" as a whole unless something's really f'd up with you. Prog rock has a set of rules, it's not innovative in the sense that it is not a meaningless name that encompases every new musical fad (hip hop, boy bands...). I don't look for innovation in music, I already chose a genre I love, and I expect that genre to mantain some form of internal coherence. Emotion is highly subjective. You can elicit emotions with your songs, but you can't make emotional music on purpose. To make my point clear: since innovation is out of your control (you don't like the new cult that forbids words and worships the mighty axe-wielding mecha dinosaurs, for instance), and emotion is a highly personal and subjective thing and means something different for every one of us, there's only one logical answer to this poll. ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 00:15
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EMOTION!!!! ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: April 19 2020 at 10:37
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Don't understand this poll really. ALL music has emotion. It may not be an emotion that you are aware that exists or that you feel comfortable experiencing but it is impossible not to have an emotional reaction when experiencing any type of music. Innovation needs to be defined better since any time an artist writes a new song but switching a few chords around and adding new lyrics, it could be considered innovation albeit only slight. In short: answers may vary according to music experienced. Some music clearly is ONLY concerned with evoking some sort of emotion whereas some is all about going where no artist has gone before. For me it's ALL good. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |