Prog Awards 2016
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Topic: Prog Awards 2016
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Subject: Prog Awards 2016
Date Posted: June 15 2016 at 18:56
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Voting is now open with Knifeworld nominated twice plus Bent Knee, King Crimson & Magma. Vote early & vote often. http://2016.prog.awards.teamrock.com/" rel="nofollow - http://2016.prog.awards.teamrock.com/ ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 15 2016 at 20:15
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I have not heard of a single one of these bands in the "Limelight" category. I must be dreadfully out of date. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 15 2016 at 20:30
Me neither ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
aglasshouse wrote:Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 15 2016 at 21:15
| I gave a listen to several of these tracks nominated for the best songs of the year. Halfway through, after none of them really did anything for me, I gave up. Is this the best prog 2016 has to offer?... |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 00:35
I agree with you. None seem to interest me enough to consider it to be the best of the year. |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 04:11
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 04:38
I can't imagine any of these tracks are the next Roundabout, Starless, Comfortably Numb, Supper's Ready, Carry On Wayward Son, Aqualung, Spirit of the Radio, Tarkus...
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 07:01
I felt similarly until I came across Motorpsycho's Big Black Dog: ¨ The Knifeworld tune ain't bad either, but I voted for this one. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 07:06
Come on guys!! Everybody knows Circuline, Good Tiger, Kylver, The Aaron Clift Experiment, Lithium Dawn, Teramaze, The Anchoress, Tiger Moth Tales, Tiny Giant and Tom Slatter  I've heard of three myself but only checked out one, Tiger Moth Tales, which wasn't by bag. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 07:19
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I'll list the possible candidates for album of the year, in case there are some folks who are too lazy to follow links Anderson/Stolt - Invention Of Knowledge Between The Buried And Me - Coma Ecliptic Big Big Train - Folklore Dream Theater - The Asstonic Haken - Affinity Messenger - Threnodies Purson - Desire's Magic Theatre TesseracT - Polaris iamthemorning - Lighthouse I know I have some pretty weird taste-buds and that I tend to veer away from the pack, yet it surprises me that I struggle to find one album to root for in this little tournament. I've listened to all albums here bar Polaris and Coma Ecliptic and find little that touches me on an emotional level. Maybe I should just vote for Purson and be done with it....which is kinda funny seeing as I find it the least "prog" sounding album on offer  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 07:21
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^^ By the way, how can someone vote for the "Live Event" category without seeing all of them? I only saw SWilson last year but it wasn't a RAH show. Oh, and no Italian Prog? What kind of award is this?
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 07:32
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Just goes to show that 2016 has been a pretty poor year for RPI....nah hang on a minute, there are quite a few 2015 releases, so I guess they're cutting the year abnormally. So yeah no RPI, fusion, space rock, avant or any of the more boisterous genres, but that is probably to be expected. Btw I voted for King Crimson in the live event. I foresee the gig in September being absolutely spectacular Shame I couldn't vote for Fire! Orchestra... ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 07:53
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I wonder how those awards can still be taken seriously. The first half of this year has seen a bumper crop of great albums, but as usual the Prog magazine crew ignore them in favour of rather run-of-the mill stuff. The only saving grace of this year's edition is the presence of Knifeworld and Bent Knee (and of course KC and Magma). |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:02
My thoughts (and tastes) exactly  I think most of the folks working for these types of magazines are lost in the DT/Spock's Beard/IQ/Marillion/Flower Kings/Magic Pie kind of prog. It'd be cool to see a more diverse spread of albums and artists to highlight that prog isn't something you can throw in a box with a sticker that says 'long guitar and moogg solos, mellotron and tricky time signatures'. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:07
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I am of course over-exaggerating a tad. Magma, Bent Knee, Knifeworld, Purson and Messenger all fall outside the classic prog sound. What I don't understand is that Say So and Bottled Out Of Eden aren't candidates for AOTY, but I guess that's pushing things a bit too far too fast.
I guess I'm one of those rare few who'd like to see the genre progress - though not at the expense of the music (some artists make incredibly progressive music....which in turn is nigh on unlistenable). It irks me to see the same old being put on a pedestal at the expense of so many new and exciting groups. Acts that are doing stuff to prog that even Squire would've smiled at. In the end it's about popularity methinks....and the candidates listed are most likely Prog Magazine's most popular....but the question beckons: does Prog Magazine cover the newcomers to the "scene"? Are they aware of the new Italian and Norwegian bands? If not, then it is not at all strange that it's reader-base is equally unaware. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:22
Hawkwind are representing the whole Space Rock genre I'd love to see them, I'm still hoping for a concert here to be announced. I'd vote for them too
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:30
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That's right, Hawkwind is there! No Ozrics though which I find a little odd. Would've thought Anekdoten were featured somewhere as well. They fit the demography perfectly. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:36
| ^ I think the Ozric and Anekdoten albums were released during the first semester of 2015. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:38
I think you're right. I actually thought of it just now ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:42
So basically... it has become a silly political game just like the grammys? Oh, cool :) ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 08:59
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I've dipped my toes in the Limelight category (best newcomers) and found that: Circuline sounds a lot like Magenta, and that Good Tiger are The Mars Volta under a different name? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 09:03
You've never heard Tides of Man, Dance Gavin Dance, and The Safety Fire? That's what they sound like to me. The Mars Volta is way more complex and isn't as entrenched in post-hardcore. ... Sorry. I'm just a huge Volta fan :) ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 09:07
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No worries Greg. I dig em as well, but I do hear a LOT of similarities between the two. The Lars Volvo though are, as you say, a lot more interesting to these ears. Sorta like the similarities between Alcest and Deafheaven. Miles apart yet at the same time I feel the latter is a complete ripp-off of the former  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 10:29
Surely that hasn't even been released yet? |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 11:27
It's out; I've got it. It's quite nice.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 13:46
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I probably just haven't searched enough, but I can't see the page explaining the nomination process. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Various music I am very into: a youtube playlist with two tracks per act |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 14:28
According to Amazon it's released on 24th June. Where did you get it? |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 15:49
I created an account, just to vote for Purson, and it wasn't on the list. I found most of the nominees in most categories either far too fanboyish or far too obscure. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Project Nightscape
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 16:44
Thanks for the nod toward Anekdoten. I hadn't heard the band before your mention. I'm near the end of my first spin of Until All the Ghosts are Gone (2015) and really digging it. ------------- https://projectnightscape.bandcamp.com/releases www.nightscapeseries.com In music the passions enjoy themselves. - Nietzsche |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 16:47
I don't really like people's choice type awards. I'd rather a jury of music academics and professionals debate then decide according to very well-defined criteria, and then put the results in a box marked "Don't Open Till Doomsday". ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Various music I am very into: a youtube playlist with two tracks per act |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: June 16 2016 at 17:32
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Purson are in album of the year. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 17 2016 at 18:10
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I thought the Storm Thorgerson Design Award was going to talk about album covers, not re-release boxes ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 21 2016 at 08:16
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I've bought quite a few of Prog Magazine's issues over the years when I see it at the local Barnes & Noble. Their coverage of non-British bands is pretty minimal, so it makes some sense (however unfair this is), that representation from other countries in their awards isn't as diverse as it should be. Sometimes a group outside the Anglo-American sphere gets an article here and there, but yes, their coverage of RPI is practically non-existent. Write them an e-mail and let your thoughts be heard. Since it's a for-profit company in the business of making money, having markets chiefly in Britain and a smaller US market, I have my doubts they'll change their glossy, loads-of-pictures, but weak-on-content format. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 21 2016 at 08:44
No problem. I'm glad I could be of service ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 21 2016 at 12:43
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What is the time frame for album of the year? I ask because we're less than half way thru 2016. Are albums released the second half of 2015 included? So far, my favorite album of 2016 is Gandalf's Fish "The Clockwork Fable". Of the nominees, I'd would vote for Haken. I haven't heard Dream Theater's release yet, as I'm waiting for the CD price to drop drastically. I live on a budget. Yet, I paid 30 dollars for "The Clockwork Fable". Why? Because the premise was so damned ambitious, I was willing to preorder album unheard on a hunch that it must be a masterpiece or the deluded ravings of a madman. Plus I have so much Dream Theater in my collection, I feel I can afford to wait on The Astonishing in much the same way I waiting for Steven Wilson's 4 1/2 to drop to the bargain basement. I will check out Big Big Train too. I haven't got round to it yet.
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Posted By: thwok
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 07:26
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 09:45
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I voted for everyone, so I am fair .......Great magazine but the awards are always mehh. I mean Dream Theater should not even be on ANY list for Astonishing, at best it was a Disney movie soundtrack. -------------   
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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 15:51
| Ridiculous that Billy Ritchie and 1-2-3 (Clouds) haven't received the top awards - Without him/them, there would have been no Yes, no ELP, no King Crimson etc etc. Don't take my word for it, watch TRAILBLAZERS of PROG ROCK, shown on Sky Arts TV this week. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 16:45
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There would've been no Yes, ELP, or Crimson without 1-2-3 ? I doubt that very much. An influence, which 1-2-3 certainly had, does not mean Lake, Emerson, Squire, Howe, Fripp or anyone else would not have gone on to make the equally innovative albums they did. No one is responsible for anyone else's work despite an influence here or impact there. Would there've been no Eddie Van Halen if Jimi Hendrix hadn't existed? No Jackson Pollock without Picasso, or Star Wars without Star Trek ? I'm guessing they would all still exist, if perhaps in a slightly different way. Influential to be sure. Responsible for a whole movement? No. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Kay Jay
Date Posted: July 11 2016 at 05:16
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Here is a letter I have submitted to prog magazine..Whether they will publsih we will see. The second half of letter concerns my views on Prog awards...It seems to me the list is based around what the writers go see and listen too...way to narrow..and they get feee tickets to nearly all gigs..I wish! In response to John Malcolm’s letter about ditching the free CD. I would like to say certainly not. It is the best free disc with any magazine I buy. More fool him I say as the current disc surely has some of what he likes. Seems a bit reactionary to hear one track he does not like then never bothered again. Anyway it is not often you feature a more extreme band. I have discovered so many great bands from listening to them, and has cost me a bit in buying discs too, but that is what the bands featured want. I am already big fan of Mystery and Delusion Rain is a 10 minute classic. The following Panic Room track is more sublime Prog and that band need support going by Glyn Barnes letter in same issue. I have ‘Skin’ and it is excellent The addition of guitarist Dave Foster has made the band even better. The third track by Proud Peasant is another classic (albeit a cover) I could go on as this is a great disc, Prog magazine CD’s are the only ones I get which I play several times over. The likes of Classic Rock ones normally get one listening. I also have a criticism of the PMA nominations being too restrictive. So many London gigs nominated for gig of the year, great if you live in London, but what about the world wide readers who have no chance of getting to these shows. I live in Bristol and see occasional gigs in London, usually when a band is not playing here, but the expense can be a bit prohibitive. I saw Steven Wilson in Bristol but cannot vote for that! Why not just have Steven Wilson’s tour? I saw King Crimson in Cardiff so the only one eligible to vote for, or is Night of the Prog 2015 a specific gig? Must say I do not know any of the Limelight acts so a hard one to vote for. And I listen to helluva lot of music. Prog is still the best mag out there though! Keith Shapland Bristol PS. Tame Imapla’ Currents is never prog ..why not have the Pet Shop Boys in your magazine too as sounds similar to me. (I note Tame Imapla are not on Prog archives, therefore not prog at all) |
Posted By: Kay Jay
Date Posted: July 11 2016 at 05:24
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Prog magazine sees to be obsessed with Tame bloody Impala...never Prog to my ears (and not on Prog Archives).... and I bought the Public Service Broadcasting album as it was in last years top ten albums..I gave it away...loads of ol nonsense...I am all for progression but this is stuff that is going the other way for our type of music. Keith |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 11 2016 at 09:17
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Most of the music on the free CD, is not prog to my ears, or brain. At best it is cross-over, alternative rock with speckles of prog flavor, but I do not call it progressive rock. -------------
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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: July 16 2016 at 00:06
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 16 2016 at 01:21
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^ I've owned the Clouds/1-2-3 retrospective for several years and the band has been pretty well discussed here on the site. There is no doubt as to their influence on some of the important prog artists. There is also no doubt that influence is currently being overestimated, as they seem to be the darlings of the moment. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: July 19 2016 at 00:06
| Ridiculous that Prog has never given a lifetime achievement award to 1-2-3 and in particular, Billy Ritchie, especially following Sky Arts programme "Trailblazers of Prog Rock" which was mainly about "Prog's true genesis" - 1-2-3. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 19 2016 at 04:02
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I despise top 10s or whatever doing so is a futile exercise. because you haven't heard it all... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 19 2016 at 07:34
Nice to see this. Very enjoyable. As for live show, I seriously think that it will be really hard for anyone to top the quality and ability that the King Crimson on tour with 3 drummers is showing ... absolutely amazing, and the best rehearsed thing I have ever seen, and totally tight and neat.
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 20 2016 at 11:50
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I'm just glad to see Headspace get nominated or recognized in this way. Great band. Baby Wakeman has killed me with Kindness.  ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: July 20 2016 at 21:51
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I'm into good music, some of which is Prog. Prog as a genre defined by people, something to "fight for" is a bit high school and sophomoric. I think it's great for those who work it and it provides a living for, but I do think there are higher artistic goals to strive for, which are more rewarding for more people. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:06
You may well be right about the imbalance, but even that is only fair, when you consider it's taken 40 years for the truth about their influence to fully emerge and hit the mainstream.
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