Prog-Related
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Topic: Prog-Related
Posted By: mlkpad14
Subject: Prog-Related
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 05:16
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None of these are listed on PA. Do you think they should be? Vote for whichever ones you feel are relevant, or just vote for all! There's no way to lengthen polls when editing, but I will list more bands/artists here: -BB King -Eric Clapton -Cream -The Yardbirds -Joe Satriani -Boston -Derek and the Dominos -Creedence Clearwater Revival -Grateful Dead -Dire Straits
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 05:25
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You forgot to include Culture Club. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 05:28
My guess is that collaborators and reviewers will skim this poll and consider that as well. :) ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
SteveG wrote:Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 06:34
| What about Barry Manilow, he used Chopin chord progressions in at least one of his songs. |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 06:55
| I'd have to look into Massive Attack, but for the rest of those, absolutely not. Also, Santana is on this site. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 07:24
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If one of the bands mentioned should ever be included I'll suggest the Nina Hagen Band for Eclectic and ABBA for RIO/Avant. ------------- 
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 07:38
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You know, a lot of people refer to Boston as a hard prog band, but I mean I just can't see it. All I've really experienced progressive from them is 'Foreplay / Long Time' I think, and even that isn't cut-and-dry. As for what I think should be in prog-related? Allman Brothers, no question. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 08:03
Elton John has more proggy tracks than Boston do... Funeral For a Friend (on Yellow Brick Road) and Indian Summer (on Madmen Across the Water)
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 11:15
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I'll consider Adam Ant, Devo, and P-Model way before any of these choices. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 12:42
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What next, The Archies for Proto Prog? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 12:57
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No across the board. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 13:45
Why not? ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 13:46
I'll include Elton John as well. :) ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 15:52
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As for the poll, I don't know any of them well enough to have a sufficiently informed opinion. In terms of the others listed in the initial post, I have seen Cream as a proto-prog band, but I seem to be very much in the minority. There are a great many bands/ artists not in PA that have some progressive rock relation (P-Funk for instance, and I expect Abba was mentioned as a joke before, but the song qdoSy4ROZpg" rel="nofollow - "Eagle" sounds proggy to me -- doesn't mean that I think that Abba should be included). One artist that I've been keen on being included is William Sheller for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFIQCtWDHfw" rel="nofollow - Lux Aeterna (his debut album) in particular, which is a sort of Symphonic Prog/ Psych album meets "classical choral music". He has some other material that would fit the site, but not another whole album's worth that I am aware of. The problem is that he has released over twenty albums since his imo Prog debut in 1972. Due to complete discography issues, unless we had a Various Artists category for Prog albums by such mostly non-Prog artists, I wouldn't expect William Sheller to be included in PA. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 16:12
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Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 16:30
Thanks! Many are in fact taking this poll as a joke, but I'm afraid I'm very serious, and so are you! Maybe my definition of prog is a bit too wide, or I'm just too young. However, I've heard about everything from these bands and I'm very familiar with the prog scene. Progressiveness, in my opinion, does not come from small elements and individual songs, but usually the whole album. Guns N Roses, for example have an album called Use Your Illusion II. It's my favorite album by them, and while no individual song is prog (except maybe Estranged), the album itself creates a very unique atmosphere. It builds up on you, and the songs, although they don't transition into each other, create a bigger picture. However, that's definitely not the best of it. Actually, that's one of the least relevant bands on my list. Way more relevant is Massive Attack. Though dubbed trip hop, their albums Mezzanine and Blue Lines create an experience very similar to Radiohead. Their songs, unlike in Use Your Illusion II, flow into each other. The atmosphere is just brilliant, and it does build up on me - immensely. I'll include one more example. Dire Straits is one of the most rewarding hard rock bands in my opinion. And I actually think of them, not by album but by hit song. Money for Nothing (happens to be a collaboration with Sting) is a long piece that for whatever reason reminds me of Porcupine Tree's singular song called Anesthetize. I think that if you listen to Money for Nothing you'll know what I'm talking about - yet it isn't something that you can put into words. The Sultans of Swing is a way shorter piece that has a sort of jazzy swing to it, hence the name. Nothing progressive about it though. Or so I thought... until about my hundredth listen! Wow it builds up on you! Isn't that really what it means to be progressive? ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 16:38
Hmmm... Prog Archives Metal Music Archives Jazz Music Archives Proto Prog Archives Ok.   ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 19:44
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Milton Nascimento, Marcos Valle, Pescado Rabioso, Arthur Verocai, Jorge Ben, Lula Cortez & Ze Ramalho's Paebiru, Nelson Angelo E Joyce, The Seatbelts, Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, Shiina Ringo & Soda Stereo ;) They aren't completely prog, they've had their moments.. But the active members of this site deserve to discover the treasure-trove that Brazil is, but is sadly very underrepresented in Progarchives. I think Milton Nascimento sure as hell belongs on Progarchives though, each album had symphonic qualities, jazz elements, almost RIO in nature with Milgres Dos Peixes and Minas. From your list, Depeche Mode is a quite unique band but probably shouldn't be on here for.. really any reason. Good music though! |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 19:46
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 20:01
Out of all the ones listed (between the poll and the OP) those two are about the only ones you could make a serious argument for inclusion in proto/related. Why stop with those listed, how about adding these too: Elton John Faith No More Aphex Twin Type O Negative Sonic Youth Funkadelic Dragonforce Public Enemy NoMeansNo Sun Ra Enya Megadeth Coldplay The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band Lee "Scratch" Perry I want to wake up one day to find that 75% of all recorded music is in the PA database. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 22:00
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All the bands in this thread are 2 proggy 4 me. While we're at it, I think that it's embarrassing that we haven't included any of these bands on the site.  The Beach Boys Molly HatchetBoy George Ted Nugent Marvin Gaye The London Symphony Orchestra Bonnie Tyler Yanni The Ramones CCR The Monkees Bryan Adams The Guess Who Zamfir ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 23:55
Hey now, there's a lot more to that band than many people think. they definitely had their prog moments: |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 00:27
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Prog-Retarded
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 00:47
WTF ? INXS ??  
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 01:09
I hope you are aware that we have a Proto Prog category here so a separate site would be superfluous.
The key point there is none of the other sites are Rate Your Music because that site already exists so there is no point in turning Prog Archives into Yet Another RYM by adding every band that some one thinks is related to is related to is related to is related to Prog...  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 02:14
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About one of the only acts mentioned on this thread that should seriously be considered for Prog-related should be (brace yourselves) Yanni. Sure, the guy became the poster boy for New Age music, but his first couple of albums are very much synth-driven instrumental works not too far removed from Rick Wakeman (although given an overly polished 80's slickness), especially his suprisingly rather good debut `Optimistique' (groan) and his eventual wordly works are far too ambitious and sophisticated to be merely dismissed as "New Age". Apart from that, his lavish concerts are full of players delivering numerous solo spots throughout the mostly extended pieces, and Yanni himself usually even has a multi-angled f**k-off deck of multiple keyboards front and centre on the stage - slap a cape on him and he could pass for Wakeman's arch-nemesis
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 02:22
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^You would have to add Ray Lynch if you do Yanni. And probably Zamphir. Anyway, the Wakeman/Yanni battle would likely look/sound a lot like this. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 03:40
Actually didn't know of Ray Lynch (wikipedea was a crash-course history lesson though!), cheers mate. 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 07:55
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Madonna and Lady Gaga....clearly more prog than any of the bands listed. -------------   
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 11:45
What about John Denver?
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Posted By: Dopeydoc
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 13:31
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I voted 3 times for Depeche Mode! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 13:35
Don't own any J Denver.....Enlighten me! -------------
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Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 14:04
Ok, that makes sense. I still think that Cream should at least be considered though. ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: mlkpad14
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 14:06
And Grateful Dead. And Massive Attack. ------------- https://gamecrazyprofessional.weebly.com/ |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 14:13
I agree. Every time any one of these discussions are brought up discussing the progressive qualities of non-prog bands, everyone seems to lose their sh**, for lack of a better term. These bands aren't going to be included on the site obviously, and a condescending response with "Well I'm just waiting for someone to say Nickelback, they're pretty progressive right hahaha??" or something just sounds immature to me. Can we just have some fun discussing hypotheticals?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:27
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Accept?? HELL YEAH!!! Udo rules!!! Micky dies a happy man the day he posts a review of Balls to the Wall on this esteemed site.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:30
Foul... ahhhh... you've been here long enough to know the longstanding site rule of mentioning him in a thread only once every five years and we got him already earlier this year. showing you the yellow card man.. sorry.. but it had to be done ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 15:30
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