Can or PFM?
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Topic: Can or PFM?
Posted By: Larkstongue41
Subject: Can or PFM?
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 10:21
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Perhaps the two best-know representatives of their respective countries. Almost opposite in terms of sound. Dark, rhythmic Can or organic, mellow PFM? In my case, if we compare their 3 major albums, Tago Mago > Storia Di Un Minuto, Ege Bamyasi < Per Un Amico, Future Days > L'Isola Di Niente. ------------- "Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar." |
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Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 10:26
| Tough one... Storia Di Un Minuto crushes anything by Can, but PFM never produced anything that great again, excepting Appena Un Po. Can is much more consistent, with at least two or three really good to great albums. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 10:29
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Tago Mago > Storia Di Un Minuto, Ege Bamyasi > Per Un Amico, Future Days < L'Isola Di Niente. same result... different route... Tago tops any of the PFM albums.. and Storia tops any of the other Can albums pretty much dead even ... if you add later albums.. PFM rules.. add in the fact Can had a running start before comparing major albums.. again advantage PFM. Overall classics... yeah advantage Can dead even man ..dead even. So alone in the ballot box... give the vote to Can for the nebulous impact and influence quality ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 11:20
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I'll give it to PFM, but Can is definitely a band that I'm growing increasingly appreciative of. ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: Darious
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 11:25
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With the above PFM's albums - PFM is a clear winner. But only mention Chocolate Kings and/or Jet Lag, and everything collapses. ------------- Writing about truth is a little bit like getting your dick out in public and hoping no one laughs (Steve Hogarth) |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 12:35
| I would never really compare the two, but I guess I overall prefer Can. Monster Movie, Tago Mago, Ege Bamyasi, and Can/Inner Space are all excellent records. I love PFM too, especially Photos of Ghosts and Jet Lag, but I'm overall more familiar with Can. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 13:23
| PFM by a mile |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 16:47
| Hard choice. I like both equally but my wife breaks the tie. PFM |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 16:49
| Difficult to chose since I like both but I went with PFM. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 26 2017 at 17:19
Same here. At the end, PFM it is.
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AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 01:49
| PFM |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 02:19
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I dig the heck out of Can, more so than ever before these days, but for me PFM has a terrific run of `Storia Di Un Minuto' - `Per Un Amico' - `L'Isola Di Niente' - `Live in the USA' - `Chocolate Kings' (I'm not personally a fan of this one, but I don't think it's a bad album) - `Jet-Lag' and `Passpartů' (yes, really, I think it's a charming LP, and at least they were back to singing in Italian!). Plus throw in the `Paper Cuts' live 1975-76 archival two-album set from 2014, and that's a ton of great music from their boom period! `Stati Di Immaginazione' from 2006 and `A.D. 2010 - La Buona Novella' from 2010 are also very decent modern works of great merit too. 
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Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 02:52
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Can for me. I'm not really a RPI fan. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 04:03
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PFM is about to perform at the Brancaccio, one of the historical theathres in Rome. They should play a sort of greatest hits along their career. I don't know the prices, yet. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 05:02
| Can for me. In front of Banco, the choice would have been much more difficult. |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 06:22
| Never got into Can so my vote went to PFM. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 09:22
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love PFM not a Can fan ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 10:30
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Can. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 14:28
| Easy one: PFM by a mile. Can is boring to these ears... |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 15:09
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PFM...........never understood all the love for Can ;imho a hugely 'overrated' band. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 17:56
| Premiata Forneria Marconi |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 19:12
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Can, but I do understand all the love for PFM and I have a lot of respect for them. It's just not really for me. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 27 2017 at 19:47
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Can but close. ------------- |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 03:15
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Can for me. The incredible Vernal Equniox... But then we are not comparing apples to oranges... Can V Kraftwerk e.g. btw (Can win this one as well...) |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 10:34
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Can for me, but I do love Storia di un Minuto very much. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 11:14
Sorry for Can fans, but I have to agree. ------------- 
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 11:39
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You PFM guys don't get it, clearly you need to increase the use of Q-tips.......Can rules the planet its pretty easy. -------------   
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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 12:40
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La Premiata for me. I like Can too, just not as much. ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 12:44
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Never could understand Can -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 12:58
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It's about the groove for me. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 17:09
That's it!!  They live in the "groove" man, gotta dig deep to understand the Can......its not music, its Can!   -------------
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 19:11
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A dude who enjoy Tago Mago and dislike Zappa...bizarre, man. ------------- |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 29 2017 at 05:34
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PFM slightly over Can ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2017 at 12:40
I was once asked why I liked to fish, and said it's all about that bass. Seriously, unlike Ivan, I don't think you need to "understand" a band like Can, you just need to feel it to dig it (psychotropic drugs can help, though I would not promote their use and avoid such stuff myself). It's not intellectual music, which is not to say tha it is completly disengaged from the intellect of course. Like quite a bit of Krautrock and psychedelic music, it has hypnotic qualities when you can feel the groove. I'd like to go a little farther though than just feeling the groove to say, don't just feel it and don't just dream it, be it. Its the kind of music where the experience can be enhanced when at a swinging party of freaks grooving to it -- especially if there are strobe lights and the room is filled with a heady mix of noxious vapours. But Ivan, if you can't dig it, you can't feel it, you can't dream it, and you can't be it, that's fine. I think people are often overanalyzing music when they say that they can't understand it. As for Zappa and Can, I generally only really like Zappa when he's instrumental. I love this: ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Son.of.Tiresias
Date Posted: March 29 2017 at 13:13
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"Stati di immaginazione", 2006 is another brilliant album by the Italian masters PFM, despite been instrumental equals in their first two from 1972 in musicality. It´s poetry. Their performance in PROG EXHIBITION, 2010 is very convincing. "Cyber Alpha" is a sheer showcase of force of Franco Mussida´s virtuosity as an instrumentalist. All master musicians. Period. ------------- You may see a smile on Tony Banks´ face but that´s unlikely. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2017 at 13:30
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Sorry for the negativity -- it's just my impression and we're all different, of course, but... I picked up Stati di immaginazione in 2006, as I was very into PFM back then, and it didn't appeal to me. Have tried subsequently and it still didn't appeal to me. To each his or her own tastes of course, but there's nothing there that I would consider brilliant that I can recall. There is some pleasant acoustic guitar work (not up to Segovia), but that's about all that I liked from it. People were really lauding the album at the time and it was certainly one of my biggest musical disappointments (I've only very rarely been disappointed with albums). I picked up another Italian album at about the same time, Yugen's Labirinto d'acqua, also from 2006, and found it so much more satisfying. EDIT: hadn't played that Yugen album in about nine years, and I can't stand it now -- tastes change. I still don't like Stati, though. ;) ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Larkstongue41
Date Posted: March 29 2017 at 20:03
Oh please... Now Can and Mike Oldfield are overrated. What bands do you like? Don't tell me Genesis, Pink Floyd and Yes for heaven's sake. ------------- "Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar." |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 30 2017 at 12:13
Perfect vision, defective ears.   ------------- |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 12:40
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Can -------------  
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Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 16:13
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Can just edge ít over PFM ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 20:23
| Can, by a hair. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 21:32
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PFM, by a toupee. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 21:57
How can I explain music to someone who is younger than the socks I own...?  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 22:45
| Absolutely Can! Never get into Italoprog that much, seem to have lot of love here. |
Posted By: scruffydragon
Date Posted: January 09 2018 at 22:50
| PFM for me. |
Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: January 10 2018 at 00:31
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Can by a country mile. ------------- Categories strain, crack and sometimes break, under their burden - step out of the space provided. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 10 2018 at 03:07
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More like Per un Amico vs. Future Days.............. ...............how can you do a Masterpiece against a Masterpiece ??? (which is not what you’re doing but........) |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 10 2018 at 03:11
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PFM. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 10 2018 at 03:39
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Love both but ended up voting for Can. Funny how most people tend to go for PFMs debut. While I do love it myself I far prefer L'Isola di Niente. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 10 2018 at 12:33
Still love PFM's three first albums though. ------------- 
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