The First Utterance of the Silent Bottom
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Topic: The First Utterance of the Silent Bottom
Posted By: Logan
Subject: The First Utterance of the Silent Bottom
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 09:42
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The Empty Corner of the Rock Stage & the First Utterance of the Silent Bottom... Just a short poll... ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
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Posted By: socrates17
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 11:07
| The Wyatt slightly edges out the Hammill. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 11:15
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that Wyatt album is imo one very important album for Post rock. It to me feel like a post rock ethos with its free developed and sweet melodies. Kinda think Talk Talk is inspired by the quirky nature of yet Robert is more playfull but the jazzy and pop referances are in a cool twist. -------------  
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 11:18
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None of those 3 albums do that much for me musically but if forced to pick I would go with Comus....it has some really interesting folk going on.....Hammill never rang my bell and while the Wyatt lp is nice in places it doesn't really grab me either. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 11:19
| It's a toss up between Comus and Robert Wyatt. I am currently listening to the Rock Bottom, but it'll go to Comus for now. Despite that fact, it changes from year to year for me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 11:49
Much as I love the Hammill, to me it's also a toss-up between Comus and Robert Wyatt. Those are both desert island albums for me. Right now I'm feeling the "Bottom" a bit more. It might be fun to do a poll pitting Genesis' "Wind & Wuthering" against Wyatt's "Rock Bottom". I might entitle the topic "Windy Bottom", butt I won't do it. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
King of Loss wrote:Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 11:56
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1st vote for PH! Along with In Camera, my fave PH solo album  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 12:04
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 12:12
Nice, I prefer that.  ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 12:17
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Thanks for the fourth option - otherwise I would have just come back later to vote for the one with the least votes. ------------- 
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 12:43
Good observation! I never had that thought, but I love Rock Bottom to pieces, as well as Talk Talk.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 12:50
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Easily Comus ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 13:04
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Wyatt > Hammill >> Comus ------------- 
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 13:21
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Best poll title EVAH. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 13:33
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Comus ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 15:31
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 20:27
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Wyatt ------------- |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 20:40
| Rock Bottom gets my vote. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 20 2019 at 23:45
That'd be great! Let's see that poll in action, Logan!
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Posted By: Chaser
Date Posted: May 21 2019 at 06:11
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Comus First Utterance - weird, beautiful, and terrifying all at the same time, but totally unique. ------------- Songs cast a light on you |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 21 2019 at 09:24
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Posted By: Run Home Slow
Date Posted: May 21 2019 at 19:41
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Hammill and Wyatt have top album here... but i like the more powerfull music of Peter here, 5 stars album for sure, Rock Bottom too !! ------------- If you got ears, you gotta listen — Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Walkscore
Date Posted: May 21 2019 at 20:21
| This is one of those polls where I think the comparison is not really valid. All three albums are great, and totally unique, but not at all in the same genre/category. Apples, oranges, and pears. I voted for Wyatt's Rock Bottom because I think it is one of the greatest pieces of music ever. But the other two albums are also really great, and also at or near the top of their classes. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 11:12
Sorry in advance for the repetition... One could make valid arguments when comparing these three, and one can make valid comparisons by listing both similarities and dissimilarities (contrasting can be a part of comparing). You've managed to compare similarities as you see it by saying "All three albums are great, and totally unique", and dissimilarities (contrasts) by stating "but not at all in the same genre/category". In terms of validity, I would say it comes down to whether the argument that would justify those statements are valid (sufficient, relevant, and acceptable). One could also say that these three albums commonly appeal to similar audiences, and are all avant-oriented (if this site had multi-tagging, which I wish it did for albums, then all three albums could share a so-called "Avant" descriptor). I would describe Rock Bottom and In the Silent Corner of the Empty Stage as kinds of avant art rock, and First Utterance as a sort of avant art folk. Furthermore, all three albums can be categorised as progressive music, all three were considered to have enough of a Prog relation to be inlcuded in the Prog Archives database, and I wouldn't call any of them mainstream music, or even mainstream Prog. They share, to my mind, a uniqueness, they share, to my mind, both avant prog and art prog qualities, they, importantly to me as the poll-starter, share being three of my favourite albums. I would argue that despite the three albums being in different categories at Prog Archives, these three albums have various musical points of convergence. One could classify all three as of the Prog genre (perhaps using a wider umbrella of Prog), then sub-classify Comus as Avant Art Acid Folk, The Silent Corner... as Avant Art Rock (our Eclectic category invention split from Art Rock), and Rock Bottom as Canterbury Scene Avant Art Rock. If this site used multi-tagging, I would tag all three albums with the "avant" label amongst other labels. So, while categorised differently here, one can find styles and attitudes where the music and musical approaches converge, as well as where audiences converge (of course one person might love one of these albums and dislike the others, another might love two of them and hate the other, one might love all three while another might hate all three etc.). I do think that these three albums would be more likely to appeal to those into the more avant-garde and more off-beat oriented music in PA than to those into the more typical/ mainstream/ very commercial Prog acts. I have often noticed that these three albums and acts often appeal to a similar audience. Of less note: Hammill's and Wyatt's albums share the same year release date, Comus being three years earlier, and they all share a general rating at Prog Archives of over 4 stars (The Silent Corner... has a 4.31, Rock Bottom has a 4.30, and First Utterance has a 4.14 rating). While they are not equally divisive, I also would say that these three albums and artists would be more divisive than various albums in PA (yes, when making such claims the burden of proof should be on me, and that is a very weak statement). Comus has been the most divisive in my experience (I have often seen love or loathe responses), but I have also seen love or loathe responses to Hammill and Wyatt in the fora. Of course one could say that of many/most albums and acts, and I'm not presenting this as a strong argument for comparison. As said, in making valid comparisons, one can be looking for both similarities and dissimilarities. The comparisons one brings to the proceedings -- they certainly can be compared/contrasted -- are valid or invalid depending on the soundness, justifiability and cogency of the argument one can make to support such comparisons. If this is an apples, oranges and pears comparison, at least all three of those are fruit, and like my enjoyment of apples, oranges and pears, I enjoy the three fruits in this poll. It's not like comparing apples to motorcycle to supernova, although even there I would be justified to have preference in terms of what most interests me or I would most enjoy experiencing. Would I rather go for a ride on a motorcycle, eat an apple, or witness a supernova up close and personal? It sort of depends on the day. For those that have no preference (it's all about preference), I have offered another alternative. For some the choice is easy. I chose these three albums because I love them (my primary reason), find them quite unique, do consider all three to be excellent albums of their respective PA categories, do think they all have "avant" qualities, and because I knew various like-minded people also love all three albums. Was that valid enough reason to come up with this poll? From my persepctive, yes. By the way, I've done polls of contrast before such as Robert Wyatt vs. Neal Morse, Chuck Schuldiner vs. Christian Vander, Phil Collins vs. Robert Wyatt, and ones like Dream Theater vs. Tangerine Dream, Magma vs. Marillion, Cardiacs vs. Rush, Art Zoyd vs IQ etc. and in those cases I was able to draw many comparisons (both in similarities and in contrasts). This poll seems a more natural fit to me, partially as this is more of an equal expression of my tastes. I suppose rather like I tend to think that we all bring our own meaning to our lives, I think we can all bring our own sense of validity to the proceedings (I like to think we can be rational, and we are pattern seeking animals). Vote as thou wilt, and think about it as thou wilt. Everyone is free to bring their own tastes to the poll, and arguments, if they wish to make them, to the discussion. It;s perfectly valid to like one more than another, or to appreciate all three equally. One can think deeply about it, or not. I tend to go with my “gut” in polls, or mood du jour, so to speak. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 11:31
"The First Utterance of the Silent Bottom" sounds like a good title for an epic prog suite.In other news, my bottom is not silent.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 14:52
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Hammill today. Could be Comus tomorrow. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Foxprog
Date Posted: May 22 2019 at 15:24
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Rock bottom is a majestic piece that still stands out as an fantasic album. Silent corner... has the best song of all time? A louse is not a home is out of this world... + it has the lie and forsaken gardens. A very hard pick for me but overall I have to vote for Rock Bottom
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 23 2019 at 06:06
| Hammill, Peter - The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 18 2020 at 11:10
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Hammill > Wyatt > Comus ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 09:06
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Just bumping this because I think it was a little too soon for this bottom to be utterly silenced. As to my overlong response to Walkscore, of course I was going for a funny title and choosing three albums I love, but all have certain artsy and quirky qualities, and avant qualities, that means they aren't of terribly different music appreciation worlds to me. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 09:15
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All classics but COMUS takes things to another level -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 09:30
I wonder what happened to GeekFreak. He was here every day and then he suddenly disappeared without warning six months ago back on May 11th. I hope he's alright.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 09:40
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^ I really hope he's okay. I have been concerned. I would try to email him but I don't wish to intrude. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 09:51
GeekFreak and I have something in common, as we're both huge fans of Mostly Autumn, so that's all the more reason to want to see him back here amongst his proggy friends.
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 15:56
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I love these 3 albums. Rock Bottom gets 10/10 in my ranking, it's one of my fave albums ever. I consider it a great masterpiece of contemporary music, it's not real prog, it's post rock, avantguarde, it's dada, pataphysic, it's absurd theater, it's free jazz ..... The Silent Corner gets 9,5/10 in my ranking, possibly it's included in my Top 20, it's an absolute masterpiece, thanks to the vocals by Hammill and his melodies. First Utterance gets 9,25 in my ranking, it is very inspired, it is wonderful, I consider its greatness slightly inferior respect the other two albums just because his inspiration touches s less broad musical fields such as genres and arrangements, is more undimensional in a psychedelic / acoustic / delusional folk sense. ------------- "Happiness is real only when shared" |
Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 17:22
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 18:59
This! All three took a while to grow on me but all are brilliant in my opinion. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 29 2024 at 15:25
| Bottom's up with a rather silent but deadly bump. |
Posted By: Frets N Worries
Date Posted: March 29 2024 at 15:26
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Hammill ------------- Cause its only knock and know all, but I like it... Writing (Or Suffering from Writers Block) Working on a New Album| https://atmosprog.bandcamp.com/album/atmos-i" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |