The R&R Hall of Shame!
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Topic: The R&R Hall of Shame!
Posted By: Argo2112
Subject: The R&R Hall of Shame!
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 14:00
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Seems like we do this one every year but the R&R Hall of Fame nominees came out & like always it's a pretty poor list with a few exceptions. It looks like they are hard pressed to find rock bands but there seems to be no shortage of rap/ R& B/ pop acts on the list while once again prog heavyweights like King Crimson, Jethro Tull & ELP are out in the cold. Nice to see Kate Bush on the list along with Foo Fighters, Todd Rundgren & Iron Maiden but other that that not much for folks here to get excited about. Here is the list: https://www.iheart.com/artist/mary-j-blige-39258/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/kate-bush-37936/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/devo-6172/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/foo-fighters-72280/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/the-go-gos-43441/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/iron-maiden-43673/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/jay-z-39268/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/chaka-khan-2573/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/carole-king-59225/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/fela-kuti-39602/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/ll-cool-j-40153/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/new-york-dolls-7818/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/rage-against-the-machine-89499/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/todd-rundgren-1142/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - , https://www.iheart.com/artist/tina-turner-17477/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - and https://www.iheart.com/artist/dionne-warwick-404/?autoplay=true" rel="nofollow - . |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 14:07
| i would not pay any attention to these lists if they weren’t posted ever year, giving it more air of publicity, with people complaining about it, but I am most pleased to see Fela Kuti on the list. I love Kate Bush and very much enjoy Devo’s Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo! |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 14:18
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Never understood the need for award shows and halls of fame. It says little about the level of artistery anyway. |
Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 14:44
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Over half of these are straight up just not rock artists. On top of that, who is honestly sitting down and listening to a Chaka Khan, Mary J Blige, Dionne Warwick or LL Cool J record start to finish? Half of these choices are just straight up pandering. Kate Bush, Iron Maiden, Rage Against the Machine, Carole King, Todd Rundgren are valid to me If I was desperate to fill out 2 more I would say Devo and the Foo Fighters
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 14:45
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When I think of rock and roll, Mary J. Blige is always the first artist that springs to mind. Her, and Dionne Warwick, of course. Loved her punk era records. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 15:23
Well, some halls of fame are worth mentioning: https://hammondorganco.com/artists/hammond-hall-of-fame/" rel="nofollow - https://hammondorganco.com/artists/hammond-hall-of-fame/ This Hall of Fame includes artists like Keith Emerson, Brian Auger, Greg Rolie, Steve Winwood and Barbara Dennerlein.
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The Anders wrote:Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 15:23
^^ Yes...they manage to ruin the concept of rock n roll each year with their sh*te nominations. I applaud Rundgren, Bush, and Maiden but that's about it. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 15:32
Some very good musicians there :) But I do miss Anders Koppel on the list: |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 15:37
For the freshman class they only included the 25 organ players that were most voted for, and since there was a tie for the 25th spot it became 26.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 17:17
| There's a few classic rock/ arena rock bands who get snubbed pretty much every year too. It's not just prog bands. Also, unless the band is really well known like Iron Maiden, metal typically gets snubbed also. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 17:19
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 17:32
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I'm delighted to say that I don't own a single album by any of those bands/artistes. The only ones I vaguely like are Kate Bush, Iron Maiden and The Foo Fighters. TBH, it's incredibly American oriented. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 17:58
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After including the Zombies last year, I decided to go easy on RRHOF. Even Rush and Yes are included and I never thought that would happen. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 18:15
I think sooner or later most really well known and respected bands get in. I think eventually even ELP and King Crimson will be inducted.
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 18:31
| Todd Rundgren, Tina Turner and Dionne Warwick all deserve to be in. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 10 2021 at 18:32
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 01:49
| The fact that Carole King is not already in it shows that what a pile of **** this really is. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 01:57
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Certainly a list that makes you want to stab screwdrivers into every living thing in a 40 miles radius. Thankfully they lost any credibility many years ago. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 02:08
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Why would anyone who actually cares about music, care about the RRHOF? ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 02:18
| What's appalling is that they want to induct specific band line-ups in the HoF so they create awkward situations for musicians that can't stand each other anymore, can't work together or that have not seen each other in many years which obviously create a lot of unnecessary drama. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 06:36
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 06:41
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When I was on the road doing sound (a lifetime ago) the keyboard player I worked with played a Hammond D with full pedaboard (it was a two piece listed here on PA. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3576" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3576 I am glad to see Barbara Dennerlein on the list. Her pedal work is impressive. Jump to around 6:15. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa-nKS89ATI (hyperlink editor not working)
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Posted By: Ronstein
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 07:27
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Although occasionalkly, they're worth it for the acceptance speech |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 07:34
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 08:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa-nKS89ATI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa-nKS89ATI
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 09:22
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The thing is that some artists really appreciate the induction. When The Zombies were inducted both Rod Argent and Colin Blunstone were absolutely ecstatic over it and considered it a great honor. Now, those two chaps are two of the nicest men in the rock business, without an ounce of ego or pretention, so I'm happy for them, not the RRHOF. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 09:22
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The R&R Hall of Fame is becoming less and less related to Rock' n' Roll. It's ghastly and disgraceful seeing someone like Jay-Z getting a nomination, alongside bands like Foo Fighters or Rage Against the Machine (nothing against them, but seriously?). I believe this is an event that is absolutely unworthy of attention, so I personally do not give a spit about who gets nominated or who gets inducted. However, it is an event that is in desperate need of renaming - The Music Hall of Fame would fit it much better. Why mess up what R&R is!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 11:59
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As mentioned, it moved away from just rock & roll a long time ago. I have been considering creating my own Music Hall of Fame or Museum of Fame and Possibly Infamy. For my own museum, which would be set up in the hallway of my House for now (so just The Hallway of Fame), I hope to go bigger if I acquire enough "relics". In that case I will expand to the rec. room, right next to the elliptical trainer. I figure it would be nice for people to get a work-out while looking at the fine artefacts. If anyone has any original hand-written music manuscripts by fairly well-know names such as J.S. Bach cluttering up their drawers, please consider a donation to a worthy cause. I'm fine with various materials from music artists who are still composing or decomposing. I'm also interesting in collecting instruments used by musicians and more general music artefacts, curios, relics, memorabilia, antiquities, curios, souvenirs, paraphernalia and stuff like that. I'd like to have one of the guitars used by Jimi Hendrix where he tooth plucked/ played it. I'd settle just for the slightly chewed strings (hoping there's little bit of chipped tooth still stuck to it), for a little taste of Hendrix. In fact, I would settle for some of his old used chewing gum. Please PM me if you've got any old relevant stuff that's just taking up space in your garage or cluttering your drawers that belonged to, was created by, or was used by any reasonably renowned music personalities (a Clapton guitar is okay, Mozart's harpsichord is okay, but please keep those Nicki Minaj thongs in your own drawers). Very rare albums that you very rarely or never play I'll take off your hands too. I would be willing to cover the shipping costs depending on the item, and with every donation comes a significant discount on the admission price to visit the museum. The biggest donor will receive a season pass if certain restrictions are ever lifted. If not, just know that that old stuff you weren't doing anything with has found a nice home. Thanks in advance. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 12:03
| ^Ok, if you want to keep it to just Rock & Roll, then Mozart's harpsichord is not ok if Nicki Minaj's thong is not ok. To be fair. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 12:09
^ Nicki Minaj's thong? Good God!  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 12:09
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^^ I would like to start a general Music Hall and Museum of Fame, which would include quality items and curios from diverse music artists such as Mozart's wig, an autographed photograph of The Shaggs, and even some country music singers drawls on display, but please no Nicki Minaj drawers (especially since the donor who acquired them might have been wearing them). You gotta draw the line somewhere, and the line where her thong goes is where I draw the line. That said, I might open this up a crack to more diverse stuff. EDIT: Okay, maybe I am being prejudiced, and will accept the underwear of any reasonably famous musicians or composers. So If you have some lying around, please do send them my way. I know a lot of people are interested in such things. The only problem is verifying that it did indeed belong to that person and you aren't just sending me your own thong or underwear. The good stuff will sometimes come with a certificate of authenticity and/or certified DNA test results. And by the way, of course I'm joking in case anyone takes this thing seriously. Although, I have genuinely considered doing something of this ilk. Maybe just as a website. That said, one might say that it's no bigger a joke than The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is. |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 13:40
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I have a desiccated finger tip from Keith Emerson's flying piano mishap. Flew off the stage and landed right in my lap. I've had it sitting on my CD case for around 47 years now. Although I was hoping to hold onto it until they perfected the cloning technology that would allow me to have my very own Keith Emerson Organic Jukebox. Let me think about it for a while. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 13:58
I never really paid much attention to it until Yes was nominated. I figured after them it was only a matter of time before the other major prog bands got in. I'm still waiting though. At some point Steve Hogarth might have to arm wrestle with Steven Wilson to see whether Marillion or Porcupine Tree gets in first.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 14:01
She gave me one of her's actually. I use it as a hammock.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 14:47
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Todd Rundgren is a legit artist to include. He has solid prog cred with his "Utopia" project, which I saw in concert years ago. The man can really shred an electric guitar & can play virtually any instrument. I also quite like Devo. Mark Muthersbaugh is extremely talented, and they were a creative force in the early days of new wave. This is one of my favorite Devo songs. Sort of "progressive punk." ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 15:33
I have no problem with Foo Fighters and Rage but they have not paid enough dues that maybe artists not nominated have. Then you have NY Dolls who only had 2 albums in early 70s then reformed in mid 2000s but never really made much of an impact. For sure they are very influential to the punk movement, but not much else. I'm good with Devo, Rundgren, Go-Go's, Iron Maiden, Tina Turner. Rap/hip hop is not rock. -------------   
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 15:50
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 16:24
RnRHOF member/voters must think Rock n Roll was invented and perfected in America! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: February 11 2021 at 20:47
| ^Imagine that right? I suppose next they'll say Jazz was invented and perfected in the US. What poppycock! |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 13 2021 at 02:01
Not only is it mis-directed by including non-rock acts it is also incompetent by not including full line ups. e.g. Deep Purple spring to mind.As it's about Fame then artistry is a secondary consideration. Maybe there should be another one.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 13 2021 at 12:50
Poppycock indeed...and next they'll be saying the blues was invented in the US.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: February 13 2021 at 20:14
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Fela Kuti! ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 13 2021 at 23:44
I'm glad that I'm not the only who appreciates Fela Kuti here. And if one, as the OP seems to, is interested about Prog connections, of course he has worked with Ginger Baker (on one studio album and one live). Baker Gurvitz Army is in Heavy Prog, and Baker has appeared on various albums in PA. To me Cream is Proto-Prog, but that's by-the-by and Baker Gurvitz army relates to one in Proto-Prog called Gun. 
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 07:03
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If nothing else I'm happy this years nominee list introduced me to Fela Kuti. Will certainly pick up a couple on bandcamp ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 12:08
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I've heard plenty of rants about the HOF here and other places,
and ranted myself a bit. When I was complaining to a friend that King
Crimson should be inducted he pointed out that its the Rock & Roll
Hall of FAME, and KK were just not famous enough. That made me think
more about what the hall is about. So, while not strictly true,
the majority of the acts have a degree of FAME that allows them entry
(in spite of the management's contention that they don't consider record sales,
etc.). I think part of the problem of why
bands like ELP, Jethro Tull, and KK don't get in is because, (if I
understand it correctly), the initial nomination group is just too
small. Its good that they now include public opinion in their
consideration of inductees, but I think P.O. is still not used for the
initial list of nominees. Anyway, for this
year I got on and voted for Iron Maiden, Todd Rundgren, Kate Bush, Tina
Turner, and Rage Against the Machine. The Public results are here: https://vote.rockhall.com/results/" rel="nofollow - https://vote.rockhall.com/results/ ------------- Z |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 12:14
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So who here has been to the RRHOF? I've only ever heard it exists, absolutely nothing about what it contains or what the real allure is. Are we talking stage clothing and used guitars behind glass? Is there a movie theatre or concert room in it? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 12:27
The RRHoF is quite like the Area 51 of the rock world to me. I know it exists in some form but don’t really know what actually is there, or goes on behind the scenes. Alien autopsies, or just Foreigner AOR-rocksies? |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 12:31
Foreigner is not in the RnRHOF.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 12:42
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official web site...for those interested...they have exhibits, memorabilia, etc.. https://rockhall.com/" rel="nofollow - https://rockhall.com/
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 12:43
It’s so shrouded in mystery to me that I can’t say whether that’s a conspiracy theory or not. For all I know, Foreigner is locked in the basement of the Hall of Fame being prodded and probed by groupies, or research is being done using those Foreigners to make music that kills. For all I know, the Hall of Fame is part of Area 51, and the Foreigners are so foreign that they are indeed aliens from another world. My point is that like with Area 51, there are things we just don’t know, or at least I don’t know. A mystery to me shrouded in an enigma. EDiT: I chose Foreigner because it means alien, and Area 51 has had many conspiracy theories including ones that involve aliens. I could have gone with the band UFO, or others. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 13:04
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How many prog fans watched Rush and Yes get indicted on HB0? Just curious. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 16:27
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^ So the members of Rush and Yes finally snapped. What did they do to get indicted? Kill some people? Scheme to blow up their musical rivals? Doesn't sound like something Rush would do. lol Seriously though, I did not watch them get inducted into the RRHOF. I only watched the live number with Geddy Lee playing bass for Yes. ------------- Levitating downwards, atomic feedback scream. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 14 2021 at 22:37
I've visited. It's ok, a lot of CDs on high priced sale. Didn't think to check whether what was on sale matched the inductees. Still got the t shirt which has worn well over it travels. No one's ever remarked on it. There is a, er, cinema show. The highlight being the Sex Pistols refusal. The holes in the history make it fall a bit flat. The Wall was a v. big display. The auditorium is intimate, no wonder it's 10K per ticket. 3/5
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 15 2021 at 06:37
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What is $10,000 per ticket? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2021 at 06:43
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 15 2021 at 08:48
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So the artists have to pay to get in? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2021 at 09:03
Yessir. And their families. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 15 2021 at 09:11
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It may be a non-profit, but of course people who work for it certainly do profit (as is common): Greg Harris PRESIDENT & CEO 40 $549,638 Tim Offtermatt VP-FINANCE 40 $233,668 Karen Herman VP-CURATORIAL AFFAIRS 40 $232,066 Liz Peschges VP-CULTURE & STRATEGY 40 $200,054 Jason Hanley VP-EDUCATION&VISITOR ENGAG 40 $196,274 Dionne Broadus VP-DEVELOPMENT 40 $179,928 Dawn Wayt VP-SALES & MARKETING 40 $177,158 Tim Parnin VP-DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY 40 $169,394 Craig Inciardi CURATOR&DIR-ACQUISITIONS 40 $153,258 Laurie Kosanovich GENERAL COUNSEL&ASST.SECRE 32 $132,383 Rob Weil SENIOR DIRECTOR OF PRODUCT 40 $126,185 Heidi Quicksilver INTERIM VP-INFO.TECHNOLOGY 40 $118,662 See: https://nonprofitlight.com/oh/cleveland/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-and-museum-inc" rel="nofollow - https://nonprofitlight.com/oh/cleveland/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-and-museum-inc It seems that this Greg is in the wrong business (that is if you can count any of my work towards this Progarchives Hall of Infamy as a business or as work). |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2021 at 09:32
This Greg would have difficulty whoring myself out to the RRHOF, but at $500k at least I'd be a highly paid prostitute. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: February 18 2021 at 10:12
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What exactly is rock? My rock encyclopedia embraces folk, pop, disco, reggae, soul, funk, hiphop, electronica, dance, techno etc. But not f.e. schlager pop, easy listening, Tin Pan Alley or the French chanson tradition. There are aticles about the Prodigy, Snoop Dogg, Jean Michel-Jarre, Tangerine Dream, Britney Spears and Spice Girls, but not Julio Iglesias, Nana Mouskouri or Jacques Brel.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 18 2021 at 10:19
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: February 19 2021 at 20:59
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