GENESIS is highly overrated,
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Topic: GENESIS is highly overrated,
Posted By: LordOfTheRings
Subject: GENESIS is highly overrated,
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:00
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listen to me i've been watching this site almost for 6/7 months and say............ i think GENESIS is highly overrated, okay ' my favourite album is 'selling england by the pound', and the song i like is "cinema show" , "dancing in the moonlit knight" and "firth on fifth"; otherwise it is boaring, "supper is ready" is super boring; it is not epic it is like pieces together what the hell ; you cant compare that song with "close to the edge" that is masterpiece;
phil collins is evil man, he f**ked the whole "genesis" up he is real criminal; |
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Posted By: Harmonium
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:03
You're gonna make a lot of friends on this forum  . . . ------------- - Comme Un Fou, Tout Est Si Clair - |
Posted By: LordOfTheRings
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:04
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nice to meet you i'm your friend |
Harmonium wrote:Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:05
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I used to agree with you. I reufsed to listen to Genesis, mostly because I hated Phil Collins, judging him soley on his solo work. They're softer and more mellow than most progressive bands of that era, so they take a few more listens to understand and appreciate. ------------- 
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Posted By: clairvoyant
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:11
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I think post-Gabriel Genesis is vastly underrated. A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering are both amazing albums, and ...And Then There Were Three and Duke in my opinion are two good albums that efficiently combine prog and pop influences. Sure, after that, not so good, but they didnt suck as soon as Gabriel left. |
Posted By: kev2307
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:13
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I agree that GENESIS are not the top prog rock band of all time, but they did contribute some wonderful music = just lost the plot on occasions.
SEBTP was fantastic and not one single song of the album can be ignored.
Genesis Live was the album which got me into GENESIS whilst all my mates were into Bowie, Mott and Quo. There not now. It was grown up music.
Given them another listen and pick out the gems - ignore calling all stations though |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:14
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If you don't like GENESIS doesn't means that they are bad, and you shouldn't offend them. GENESIS is the best prog band in the whole world along with YES and ELP. |
Posted By: Gary the Ghoul
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:14
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i don't like them that much either they're just not my style,i guess |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:14
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FFS!!! We just had one of these Genesis bashing threads closed. I'll sum up that thread for you, we all agreed that Genesis make complex and difficult to make music even if the indavidual parts are easy to play, its the whole that counts not just the guitar/bass/keys etc. We also agreed that though Peter Gabriel doesnt have the best range or power in his voice he overcomes that with an abilaty to convey a wide range of emotions that few others have matched, beyond these facts its down to personal preference on weather you like it or not, its also been well established that Collins WASNT the sole reason for the change to pop music, it was more to do with Banks and Rutherford. BTW If you've been lurking around for 6-7 months then you must know that people here get hacked off when a newby starts attacking one of the best loved bands here without any explanation as to why they dont like them. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:15
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"supper is ready" is super boaring;
suppers ready is my favorite song and overratted threads are overrated. horay my 200th post ------------- true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants. 
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:20
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Great icebreaker this thread... |
Posted By: LordOfTheRings
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:25
i dont care about your 200th post
kidding congr
but genesis is overrated
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atsPosted By: Heptade
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:30
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Genesis may be overrated on this forum (but still great), but poor Phil is
underrated...I mean, it's not like he's Satan, is it? Poor little man. ------------- The world keeps spinning, people keep sinning And all the rest is just bullsh*t -Steve Kilbey |
Posted By: chofel
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:30
| I'm a newby too, but my favorite band is genesis, and it's not overrated, it's just that you are in the minority... genesis, ELP, Triunvirat and Pink Floyd are the best bands EVER!!!... but it's true.... after winds and wetherings, it became another band... |
Posted By: LordOfTheRings
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:32
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Posted By: LordOfTheRings
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:33
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he is tarzan and i love it otherwise .... i hate him |
Posted By: ryba
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:39
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:42
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In a world full of overrated things, Genesis is not even on the list! Compare them to the truly overrated: Madonna Rap Big and Rich Enough said............... ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:43
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Posted By: ryba
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:43
I LIKE COLLINS VERY MUCH, AS WELL AS OTHER GENESIS BOYS. BY THE WAY, WHAT HAS A BOAR TO DO WITH SUPPER'S READY. IS IT THAT A BOAR IS READY FOR SUPPER? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:45
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Hi LordOfTheRings. You are free to voice your opinion of course. You may find people more receptive to a positive thread about bands you do like though. Negative threads tend to alienate people, especially when they are the first post by a new forum member. |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 15:45
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I've never thought Genesis were boring. I have to be in the mood. And why anyone compares supper's ready to CTTE is really a big question to me. both are very different compositions. |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:01
| wow |
Posted By: stan the man
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:03
by the way lord of the rings is awsome ------------- true as a lobster in a pteredaktyl's underpants.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:07
Agreed. Threads like these,especially created by a new member,are not a good way to start on the forum. With that being said I know a lot of Genesis lovers(of which I count myself)are going to respond to this thread. Please try to be civil. -------------  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:17
Lordofthe rings wrote:
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:17
Wow, what amazing tact! Now I see why you're a moderator!  ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:17
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hahahah another one huh... LOTR- if you think they are.. be specific as to why. If you think that their high place in the prog hierarchy is meerly a reflection of todays adulation, when they MIGHT be considered a 2nd rung group compared to the impact that several groups had on prog, like ELP, Tull, Floyd, King Crimson, and Yes.... then come out and say it. The Genesis fan-brigade, led by the one and only Ivan, would love to discuss that with you. edit... hahahha the red fonted Ivan has already arrived I see.  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: horza
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:18
I love Genesis - saw them on the Duke tour - 'over-rated' threads tend to be divisive - for someone who has watched the site for so long you haven't exactly got us all thinking with this post  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:22
 Well, done, Ivan. I am not as
passionate about Genesis as many fans on this site, but I respect them
as one of the most important prog groups of the '70s. And I
listen to at least one Genesis album every week.Calling Genesis overrated is overrated. ------------- My recent purchases: 
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Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:26
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Genesis are my 3rd favourite prog band after Camel and Mostly Autumn. Please stop negative "overrated" threads. Let's get back to discussion which advances the cause of prog, not retards it. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:27
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hmmmm... to bring something substanitive to this thread.... Ivan- other than language... what is the difference between German and Italian Opera. Remember I'm just a cultureless American who likes Opera.. but couldn't discuss it if my life depended on it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: mission4prog
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:42
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sorry, folks...i have to agree. m4p ------------- "The hypocrites are slandering the sacred halls of Truth." |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 16:46
on what? Genesis overrated, or German Opera better than Italian Opera..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MattNYR
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 17:09
| I have to say that Genesis is definitely not overrated. I could understand your argument if none of their albums were towards the top of the list of prog's best, but they are. Selling England By the Pound, Foxtrot, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, and Nursery Cryme are all in the top 10. No other band even compares to that! If you want to talk overrated, you have to include Close to the Edge and Thick as a Brick, nothing by Genesis. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 17:13
Ah well...yet another Genasis overated thread. Still, it keeps Ivan busy. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 17:49
| IVAN, It ain't me, honest! Yes, I do not think of Genesis as the greatest prog band but I have always stated that I do actually like them. And 'Supper's Ready' is one of the greatest songs ever written! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 17:53
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Micky Wrote:
Yeah, lets hang the subject, this underrated/overrated threads are tiresome. Well I'm not an expert and haven't watched all the Italian Operas (Despite my mother is a fan of the genre and have seen them since the VHS years), but I find the Italian Opera more based in feelings, and too soft (Of course there are exceptions like Caballeria Rusticana and Aida). I'm a huge Wagner fan, I've seen and heard Rienzi, Tanheusser, Lohengrim, Die Meistersinger von Nurembersg and Der Fliegende Hollander one thousand times (Also like Karl Orff's masterpiece Carmina Burana) and it's IMO more brilliant, aggressive, intense, better if you try to get the story. The stories are very rich and describe the Germanic feeling perfectly, the importanve they gave to their mythical history. German sagas, fights between the devotion for God and the Pagan divinities like Wotan and even Venus (as in Tanheusser who dies because the doubt between his devotion for Venus and for the Virgin Mary). The whole story of Der Ring of Niibelungen describes the German/Nordic mythology, it's simpky amazing, great to see or listen it in five days at least if you got the DVD's or CD's. But the most important is the music, Wagner blends the warrior spirit of the Germans with their dramatic passions, love is not the word to describe the feelings in Wagner's opera, the word is pure passion. Believe the key word is intensity. Until you haven't heard Pilgrim's Chorus (Begluckt darf Nun) from Tanheusser, you haven't touched perfection, it's the most incredible piece of music ever written. Iván -------------
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:03
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What is "SUPPER IS READY"? Is it a new Genesis epic I haven't heard yet? ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:03
you are a real gem Ivan.. Thanks! I'll check out Pilgrim's Chorus.. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:05
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Hey nice to hear that To me it's the greatest song ever written Ivan is right about everything, as always. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 27 2006 at 18:05
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I'm closing this thread. I will also keep a close watch on the originator. |