You're totally right, I'm trying to feed my little brother with prog music, and it kindof works  at least he likes Yes and the early King Crimson, and some Pink Floyd. I'm sure he'll become a prog-fan later

But I won't give him a present this year, because I don't see him, haha (im on exchange, far away from home).

I have to buy my hostmother a robbie williams - cd though, shame on me.       But it's probably too late to give her the right musical education anyways        

Rob The Plant wrote: Oh well, some you win, and some you lose.

Yeah, but it's not 50%-50%

at least 90% won't change

I've hooked my friend with Ayreon's "Human Equation," but I don't think he'll be a major convert. He's not a prog type, and he always says he hates it because I listen to it so much and I bash his Rammstein music all the time. Recently I said that Rammstein isn't that bad, it's good but not what I really like to listen to, and I think there's a connection: right afterwards he commented on how good "Human Equation" sounded.

But anyway, my cousin and I are both into prog, as is my uncle. I'm asking for some stuff from them to burn, and they're asking for me to burn some stuff for them.

aqualung28 wrote: Music is an important part of my life so getting people into great music brings me great joy, but he won't give it a chance.

I know!!!! I feel exactly the same, but it's so hard to get them into prog, for 70% it's even hopeless. The only exception is Pink Floyd, everybody likes them

If they knew what they're missing .....

I say buy them two albums: In the Court of the Crimson King and The Carpenter's Greatest Hits, and let them make up their own minds...

Peace.

Why do I feel like I've gone back to high school in this thread???

Yeh, you think Pink Floyd is the band to start with till you give them Meddle or Atom Heart Mother... then they'll think you're suicidal or something...

I'm with Maani - ITCOTCK... is the best present!

threefates wrote: Why do I feel like I've gone back to high school in this thread??? Yeh, you think Pink Floyd is the band to start with till you give them Meddle or Atom Heart Mother... then they'll think you're suicidal or something... I'm with Maani - ITCOTCK... is the best present!

yeah, im in highschool, haha

what about introducing them to prog with Godspeed you! Black Emperor? or Can? hahahaha, i can imagine their reaction

You're right, ITCOTCK does work, i gave it to a girl that likes punk bands like greenday, simple plan ..... and she loves it!   but then i expected her to love camel-stuff, but she didn't =(

I couldn't agree more, at least 95% of students like at least one of those three categories. The rest mostly likes really good music (classic rock, jazz), but nobody really shares my opinion about prog ... Some like a few bands and songs, but nobody's really interested in getting more into it

I also think that music plays a different role for them, it's either used for dancing (what is okey of course, u obviously can't dance to prog music, so u need other stuff) or to show that you belong to a certain group (or because you think the artist's cute, haha). I can hardly imagine that they really sit down and start listening to their music (and concentrating on it) when they're alone.

Well, they just don't know real music, poor them!

maani wrote: I say buy them two albums: In the Court of the Crimson King and The Carpenter's Greatest Hits, and let them make up their own minds... Peace.

You can't expose a child to King Crimson, that's cruelty, there should be a law against that.

haha, so true, tuxon

i'm 16 years old, and nobody likes the music i listen to... maybe i should've kept listening to pop ...... but then I wouldn't have experienced real music ... so: Knowledge is more important, and trying to persuade them is pretty funny too .. so I don't really regret it

haha, like my picture? i don't, gonna change it soon, have to think of something cool

soo... after all that... do you think it'll ever be possible for prog to get big again??

Not likely, it's too smart not like other pop.

PS- My Pics pretty cool!

G2G

but maybe people get smart again?

I don't think they were that much smarter in older days .... maybe it just worked because there wasn't this stupid music which catches the attention of people because it's so easy to get into ...

maani wrote: I say buy them two albums: In the Court of the Crimson King and The Carpenter's Greatest Hits, and let them make up their own minds... Peace.

Is there a difference?

Metropolis wrote: Hey I'm a teenager into prog (if only for another 8 months), we do exist, we're just a rare breed.  Porcupine Tree rule, can't wait to see them in March

Oooh where are you seeing them in March?

It will be worth the journey i'm sure

I hope to see them in London on the 2nd April

Whooooooooo!!!

Name dropping here - But I was invited (with my mate) to Steve Wilsons House when he was in his first band - Karma. My mate Roj was his contact in the north ! He's alright Steve - entertained us with his Guitar - Mainly Rush and Pink Floyd licks - Sadly lost touch with him shortly after.......

Good night in the pub with him and his keyboard player though......

Petra wrote: It will be worth the journey i'm sure I hope to see them in London on the 2nd April Whooooooooo!!!

Me too!!!

^ distance 'aint no thing for a determined 3F

threefates wrote: Petra wrote: It will be worth the journey i'm sure I hope to see them in London on the 2nd April Whooooooooo!!! Me too!!!

Well I will see you there!  and any chance of a meeting with Steve Wilson?  I know how you are 'in' with a lot of bands.

Lol yah I geuss I stick out a bit.

G2G!

Petra wrote: threefates wrote: Petra wrote: It will be worth the journey i'm sure I hope to see them in London on the 2nd April Whooooooooo!!! Me too!!! Well I will see you there!  and any chance of a meeting with Steve Wilson?  I know how you are 'in' with a lot of bands.

I'll work on it!!  

My son is eleven and likes the hard rock portion of my collection. He loves, Zeppelin. Me thinks he has pretty good taste. He does not get into real prog though, his response to YES is that the songs are "too long". I suppose that goes with his age b/c anything that takes too long is not on his list of things to do. I think I may be able to get him into prog in a few more years.

My stepdaughter on the other hand has recently become interested in country and western music. It is a hard decision, but I think I hate country worse than pop. I don't see her ever liking prog, but who knows. Things change. 

Then There were 3 is the best!

Advice to Raymon7174- get your son presence. It's the most progressive Zeppelin album, and since your son is already a Zeppelin fan, it's probably the best choice. It also has 2 long songs on it, one of which is "Achilles Last Stand", a song no one can become bored of. I've listened to that album well over 20 times in the last 3 days (no exaggeration, I jsut sleep less) and I still love it.

I'm a teenage prog fan too by the way. Pink Floyd was my first love when I saw the wall at age 6 or 7, and I loved it even though it scared the hell out of me.

Lol, I've heard Led Zeppelin is good but I never heard them. But the guy in your pic has funny hair. Lol

G2G!

HOLY SH*T! YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY ZEPPELIN? I'M AMAZED!

Rob The Plant, I have already given my son Presence and Runes. He likes them both and has said he loves Presence.

I may try to get him into Rush's "Moving Pictures". How could a Jimmy Page fan not appreciate Lifeson.

Advice to Raymon7174- get your son presence. It's the most progressive Zeppelin album, and since your son is already a Zeppelin fan, it's probably the best choice. It also has 2 long songs on it, one of which is "Achilles Last Stand", a song no one can become bored of.

Well "Achilles Last Stand" bores me, almost as much as "Caraselambra" (did I spell that right?).  I do like most Zeppelin, though.

KPG: I'm sure you've heard Zeppelin, even if you don't recognize it yet. I don't think it's physically possible to go for more than a month in the US without hearing LZ unless you're in Amish country...if nothing else, there's that Cadillac TV commercial where they play "Rock and Roll", for one thing.

James Lee wrote: if nothing else, there's that Cadillac TV commercial where they play "Rock and Roll", for one thing.

I prefer the VW commercila that played "Pink Moon."

Metropolis wrote:   Yeah, there aren't too many of us teenage proggers, we got to stick together if we're going to spread the word. Laters

I'll join you guys  I'm trying to "create" more of us every day, without that huge success though.

oh, really? No, i haven't looked at the poll yet. But that sounds pretty cool, at least there are people like me somewhere out there  

it would be great to meet one of you guys one day in real life!

I got ELP's "Live at Montreux" for Christmas.. so I'm a really happy camper !!

aqualung28 wrote: I've been trying to get my brother hooked on Rush. I think it is a perfect intro into prog rock for him because he likes hard rock.  He doesn't really give anything a chance unless they sound like Ted Nugent, AC/DC, or Kiss. (None of which I particularly enjoy) Music is an important part of my life so getting people into great music brings me great joy, but he won't give it a chance.

AC/DC was the first band I fell in love with. I still think they are the best rock 'n' roll band ever, better than the Rolling Stones. I hardly ever listen to it anymore, but AC/DC was the first band I wanted to know everything about, and hear anything they recorded. My first obsession.  That's where my true love for music started. And look at me now: on a prog forum.

Maybe your brother just needs some time... maybe not, but you can't force him.

Its funny, but when I traveled with AC/DC.. I really didn't appreciate the music at all.  I loved to watch Bon sing, but the music.... well, I was an ELP fan.  However, I do appreciate them more now, maybe because their music holds a place in my past... but I love to clean the house to "Fire Your Guns"...

BebieM wrote: Metropolis wrote:   Yeah, there aren't too many of us teenage proggers, we got to stick together if we're going to spread the word. Laters I'll join you guys  I'm trying to "create" more of us every day, without that huge success though.

Can I just say, fantastic. You guys are going to be the future of prog once us old farts are dead an buried. Spread the word.  

As a very devoted musician with love for an enormously varied selection of music, I have found that there is a lot of crap out there in a number of guises. There is even bad prog, and good pop !

I feel that people are generally exposed to quite a lot of music when they are growing up, and although they're not necesarily listening to it or analysing it, that music becomes comforting to them. I was lucky enough that my mum used to play me Mozart when I was a baby, and when I was 2yrs old I kept asking her to play me Tschaikovsky's 1812 overture over and over again!

When you listen to a lot of similar music (say if you love pop-punk ()) then after a few years you get bored. There is very little one can do of musical interest while sticking with a repeated 3-chord or 4-chord pattern. If someone ventures outside this creative black-hole, they find there is so much you can do with music. This is where prog comes in... what I term the good prog is where the music is 'progressive' because it's musically interesting (as opposed to bad prog that is 'progressive' because of what the band does, rather than the music they're playing). I haven't got bored of early Genesis in the same way that I got bored of most of Iron Maiden for example.

I think I've completely lost the plot as I was originally going to say something about me performing "But Who May Abide" from Handel's Messiah arranged for a metal band.  Good music is good music.

deviation, repetition, and just plain talking bollocks

i think that everone likes prog. its just that people most of the time never even get a chance to get  to know it. i was a huge kiss fan ( horrible i know) but by chance when i typed it weard music in google a while back yes came up. if it wasnt for that. i might still be a rocker, hating it withought knowing it.

I spent the latter part of high school (I'm 18 and now in university) trying to convert my friends into prog fans, but gave up after realising how futile my efforts were. It's not that my friends didn't like the Floyd, Yes and Genesis I was playing for them, its just that they didn't feel the urge to explore the genre any further. I'm not saying it's impossible to influence them, just very difficult. 

Then again, most of my friends recently got into music, and listen to all of the easy to get into pop punk and emo. I've been listening to mainstream rock all my life, but a few years ago I pulled out a few of my dad's Pink Floyd and Yes albums and soon realized after that today's mainstream music didn't offer anything to me any more.

I agree with what was mentioned above, and I think that people just don't have the chance to be slowly exposed to prog these days. I feel that for someone who has grown up with today's rock music and has heard enough of it to grow tired of its repetiveness, prog is kind of the next in line in terms of the evolution of a person's musical tastes. For those of us teens who are fortunate enough to have a parent's prog music collection to go through, getting into prog becomes an adventure and a chance to make one's own discoveries. Being baraged by and forced to listen to prog music, especially an album like Tales from Topographic Oceans, will rarely make someone want to further explore the genre.  

To return to the topic of influencing frineds, I ended up lucking out just before I graduated highschool earlier this year. During a conversation with a girl that I had quite the crush on I brought up Yes only to discover that she was a big fan of Yes, Floyd, Genesis, LZ, the list goes on. She ended up going to the same university as me, in the same program. Thus, I now have at least one person my age that I can talk to about prog. I guess the moral of my story is that more teens than most of us think probably listen to prog rock and other good music, it just may not be overly apparent. Perhaps it is wiser and more productive to try to find other prog fans than it is to try to make new ones. 

Shredward wrote: As a very devoted musician with love for an enormously varied selection of music, I have found that there is a lot of crap out there in a number of guises. There is even bad prog, and good pop ! I feel that people are generally exposed to quite a lot of music when they are growing up, and although they're not necesarily listening to it or analysing it, that music becomes comforting to them. I was lucky enough that my mum used to play me Mozart when I was a baby, and when I was 2yrs old I kept asking her to play me Tschaikovsky's 1812 overture over and over again! When you listen to a lot of similar music (say if you love pop-punk ()) then after a few years you get bored. There is very little one can do of musical interest while sticking with a repeated 3-chord or 4-chord pattern. If someone ventures outside this creative black-hole, they find there is so much you can do with music. This is where prog comes in... what I term the good prog is where the music is 'progressive' because it's musically interesting (as opposed to bad prog that is 'progressive' because of what the band does, rather than the music they're playing). I haven't got bored of early Genesis in the same way that I got bored of most of Iron Maiden for example. I think I've completely lost the plot as I was originally going to say something about me performing "But Who May Abide" from Handel's Messiah arranged for a metal band.  Good music is good music. deviation, repetition, and just plain talking bollocks

YOu aren't by chance related to Certified are you???

is it just me or is the above post^ invisible

Edit: oops im a bit late

Well, I just typed out along elaborate comment to watch nothing be posted

Scratch that up to my forum noviceness

Sorry

Dont worry ive done that kind of thing before, typed up a long post and just as i clicked to post my internet mucks up and i lose it all.

Welcome to the forum anyhow

Thanks,

I think I'll work on typing it up again once I get the time

threefates YOu aren't by chance related to Certified are you??? [/QUOTE wrote: Would that be a good or a bad thing? Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family

Would that be a good or a bad thing?

Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family . Still, I am quite capable of posting nonsensical drivel in preference to churning out nonsensical java3d.

Shredward wrote: threefates YOu aren't by chance related to Certified are you??? Would that be a good or a bad thing? Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family . Still, I am quite capable of posting nonsensical drivel in preference to churning out nonsensical java3d. [/QUOTE wrote: .....you and Certified are going to get along well.

.....you and Certified are going to get along well.

Indeed.

It is difficult to get people to give prog a chance more than anything else.  Most folks would probably find something to like in prog if they actually listened to it.  However, not many people are willing to sit through ten minute plus masterpieces.

One day, lads, one day.

Let's just wrap all of this up by categorising the presents that should be given (drum rolls):

1. 12-14 year-olds: Wish You Were Here

2. the same age, but with horrendous tastes, like Britney or Eminem: Trans Europa Express

3. for all kids, but with a higher IQ ,who already listen to good stuff, like Sonic Youth, Nirvana or The Beatles: The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking

4.for 14to 18 yr-olds: Tago Mago or Mekanik Destruktiv Kommandoh

Captain Fudge wrote: Let's just wrap all of this up by categorising the presents that should be given (drum rolls): 1. 12-14 year-olds: Wish You Were Here 2. the same age, but with horrendous tastes, like Britney or Eminem: Trans Europa Express 3. for all kids, but with a higher IQ ,who already listen to good stuff, like Sonic Youth, Nirvana or The Beatles: The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking 4.for 14to 18 yr-olds: Tago Mago or Mekanik Destruktiv Kommandoh

Is that really summing up what has been said before?  

WYWH is a good choice i guess, but I wouldn't give the pros and cons .... (though it's a great name for an album ) to anyone new to prog. And giving Krautrock or Zeuhl to a newbee is kindof evil

I don't even know Trans Europa Express . Who made that album?

And Then There were Three is surprisingly good (just got it today), but I don't know about Duke.

Prog is a difficult music to be interested in. Me and a few friends decided that most people with music just want to be entertained and not blown away.

Movies for example, the majority of people would watch "There's something about Mary" over "Citizen Cain"

And before you refute me with "Movies arent music!" please take into consideration that both are a leisure activity, and both have the capacity to be art rather than mere filler for time. In the world of arts the closest thing to music is film(movies and i suppose even television)

So I think its just best to accept that the majority of people wont ever like prog as a genre (although liking a band or two isnt out of the question) and buy them something they would enjoy.