IMPORTANT - frances the mute owners...
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Topic: IMPORTANT - frances the mute owners...
Posted By: frenchie
Subject: IMPORTANT - frances the mute owners...
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 14:55
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the uk version has 5 tracks on the back of the case but has been split into 12 tracks for some reason. pissed me off as a fellow progger! if you copy or play the album on windows media player it ses the tracklist is as follows (i am not writing out the full track names so i will abresviate) 1. cyngus part a 2. cygnus part b 3. cygnus part c 4. cygnus part d 5. the widow 6. lvia 7. miranda part a 8. miranda part b 9. miranda part c 10. miranda part d 11. cassandra part 1 12. cassandra part 2 THIS TRACKLIST IS INCORRECT. I HAVE WORKED OUT THE REAL TRACKLIST. CHANGE IT ON YOUR MEDIA PLAYER BY EDITTING THE TRACK NAME IF YOUR VERSION IS INCORRECT... 1. cygnus 2. the widow 3. lvia 4. miranda 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12: cassandra. i have no idea why it is this many tracks long as the suite only has 5 parts!!! THIS IS THE CORRECT TRACKLIST. thank you, hope that avoids confusion. any other problems? reply here or PM me. i know all! ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 15:29
| The reason it has the extra tracks is apparently related to the record company being tricky about not paying them for a full length album because it had only 5 tracks on it, and so technically only qualifies as an EP. I assume that's more to do with the US though. Any idea when the "decoder" record's coming out? |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:04
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That's such bullsh*t. Record companies can suck my cock. An album is deterimined by *length*. Or could some grindcore band release a 20-track album that comes out to ten minutes and all it a full release? ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:08
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its confusing cos lots of prog albums has 5 tracks. yes have 3 track albums! godspeed only ever have a few tracks! insanity! bet the band were pissed! i was but the music is so damn good that i will let it go. the decoder is being released on the single of the widow on march 14th in the UK (ONLY AVAILABLE FOR ONE WEEK), go on http://www.thecomatorium.com - www.thecomatorium.com for more info on release dates. i found it on the forum but prolly on the homepage too. i think US and japan might get different releases ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:11
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music is the art, record companies are the eraser pen ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:13
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ps if maani or max happen to read this, cant wait till frances the mute gets added to the archive, hope you give it the proper 5 track listing and not 12. us proggers would be happier that way! cant wait to review this album. the mars volta are one of my most fave bands ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:19
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I would've said that music is art and record companies are sh*t, but there you go. ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
frenchie wrote:
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 16:33
Thank you... so more importantly, now i hope the tracklist confusion is gone... what do you think of the album??? my opinion... a 77 minute long orgasm... one of the BEST things i have ever heard, different to their debut which i would rate a 10/10 masterpiece and one of the best albums ive ever heard. This one is different and perhaps better because they managed to make a follow up that is TRUELY INCREDIBLE, i never thought they wud be able to better deloused but my god this is insanely good. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 18:29
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What is the deal with the decoder? I keep hearing about it, but have no clue what it does. ------------- Sun Tsu said: To fight and conquer in your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. Sun Tsu: The art of War |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 22 2005 at 18:39
Frenchie to the rescue! the lyrics are printed underneath where the disc is held, this track is called the decoder because it is meant to help you understand the main concept of all the other lyrics on the main album. The title track that never made the album hehe, The Mars Volta are always full of ideas, i hope you guys can track this down, i'm guessing it will come with The Widow single but if you miss out on it then i'm sure you can find an mp3 of it. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 14:10
| I'm going to hunt down the vinyl when it's released. |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 15:36
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Actually, the Decoder was released as a single earlier in February, I believe, as a seperate single from the Widow. And for those who are hoping that the decoder "decodes" the album, a lot of the actual song is still up in the air at this point as to what it means. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 16:03
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well i have read the lyrics to the decoder (located under where the disc is held on FTM cd case) and it didnt decode a thing for me, tho i havent looked up on this lyrics. i remember reading a 113 page explanation of their first album! their lyrics are so complex, best lyricists ive ever experienced. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 16:17
| I agree. and since you have the album, I guess I'll ask you. Does John's drumwork hold up to the standard he set for himself on De-Loused (Important to me, as I am a drummer)? |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 16:22
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the drum work is no better no worse. it is very different. deloused was... insane in a frantic energetic way, full of speedy drumwork which i found incredible, he is one of the best drummers ive ever heard. their band is so strong. this album is more subtle. it has elements of the speedy insaneness of their debut yet it is more based around mellower techniques, percussion. the drumming is a lot more experimental, there is an incredible latin track which has spanish style drumming, john really expresses how much range he has as a drummer but the drums are more subtle here, in deloused the drumming was really noticeable and in your face with its amazingness, here you have to find the beauty in his drummer rather than letting it find you. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 16:35
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When did frances the mute come out? is it out in north america yet? ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 17:25
i think it will be in early march like USA. http://www.thecomatorium.com/board/index.php?showtopic=29465 - http://www.thecomatorium.com/board/index.php?showtopic=29465 hope this helps. ps, prog bassist... you rule!  ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 17:44
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Where is this 113 page synopsis of de-loused? I may have to peruse it sometime... ------------- Sun Tsu said: To fight and conquer in your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. Sun Tsu: The art of War |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 23 2005 at 17:46
 how come I rule? lol.------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 03:16
i guess its the forum name, prog bassists rule! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 05:43
| I'm pretty sure the decoder isn't released. I've seen no mention of it from official sources, and it isn't for sale anywhere online. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 06:26
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I hit that problem too and come to the same solution as you have - Iwas trying to figure out the title of the third track scheduled for radio play tonight - believe it is Via Viaquez.
What is all this nonsense about track numbers and whehther this is an ep or what. Hasn't been a problem in the past - e.g. so Topographic Oceans is technically an ep? - merde!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 15:16
it was put on preorder for november 28th or something then deleted the day it was released so nobody got one. a cockup as people thought this single was actually coming out when it wasnt. according to the comatorium it will be part of the widow single in the uk, prolly the same everywhere else but it ses to be confirmed on the website so i dont know yet. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 16:31
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It kind of bothers me how they split up the tracks.... still I'm pumped to get this though. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 16:37
I'm mainly guessing here, and I don't even know if that's the true reason, I think the problem is in the chart definitions of singles, EPs and albums. Because with only 4 tracks it probably doesn't qualify as an album in whatever system their record label uses, it may be possible that the label, in an attempt to make the record more palatable in the "pop" market, said that if they were only going to record four tracks, they would only get paid for a single, to encourage them to make shorter more radio-friendly music. Although if that is the case it's a fairly useless gesture, since they ended up with the same music anyway. If, and it seems fairly odd, that isn't the case, then I'd put it down to TMV just being tricky, which is more likely. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 19:02
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i love this band too much. i have all their rarities as well. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 19:06
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god i am dying to review this album. when will it be added m@x? ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Glass-Prison
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 19:36
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...I can't wait ------------- Sun Tsu said: To fight and conquer in your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting. Sun Tsu: The art of War |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: February 25 2005 at 20:06
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i've had some news people. but this is only for those in the uk. HMV are doing an offer. £6 for the widow single, the widow dvd and the widow vinyl single. sounds good. the official tracklist should be as follows The Widow (CD Single - exclusive storm thorgerson cover) 1. Frances the Mute a. In Thirteen Seconds b. Nineteen Sank, While Six Would Swin c. Five Would Grow and One Was Dead 2. The Widow rumour has it track 1 is around 15 minutes long. it is called the decoder as it is supposed to have clues to what the story of FTM is about. I do not know if track 2 will be full length or a radio edit as the promo video does not have the weird end section. The Widow (DVD Single - exclusive storm thorgerson cover) 1. The Widow (video) 2. Roulette Dares (The Haunt of) (Live at the electric ballroom) 3. Televators (video) The Widow (Vinyl) Side A: Frances the Mute Side B: The Widow Release Date = 14th of march ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 07 2005 at 16:00
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frances the mute has finally been added to the archive this has brightened up a sh*t day!  i know a lot of you have listened to this album so pls rate or preferably review it! thanx! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Gaspy Conana
Date Posted: March 07 2005 at 19:15
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awesome album
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 07 2005 at 19:21
i would love it if you reviewed the album! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: billyshears'67
Date Posted: March 07 2005 at 20:06
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WHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Killer album, by one of the best bands on the planet! Peace & take care  |
Posted By: Grobschnitt
Date Posted: March 07 2005 at 20:45
| Anyone but me hate the HUGE amount of FILLER on this album? When they actually play it rocks - but I count about 20-25 minutes of NOISE in between tracks and spaced throughout. Almost as if they wanted a 77 minute album but only had 50 or so minutes of actual music. If you want to hear NOISE - go outside and just listen - there is plenty. Me - I want the music. The actual music on this dsc is 5 stars - but I find myself using the fast forward button a little too much....... |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: March 07 2005 at 20:50
Amen  ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |