Nu-Prog/New Prog/Alterna-Prog
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Topic: Nu-Prog/New Prog/Alterna-Prog
Posted By: kybrdwzrd
Subject: Nu-Prog/New Prog/Alterna-Prog
Date Posted: February 08 2009 at 23:25
| Recently I've noticed that an increasing number of prog bands have incorporated elements of alternative rock into their music. After doing some research, I discovered that this style of music is often called Nu-Prog, New Prog, and Alterna-Prog. I've noticed that this has not yet been added as a sub genre on the site, and I feel it should be given the increasing significance of this new sub genre. I've seen bands of this style scattered between various sections of the site, and bands fitting within this category include: Coheed & Cambria, Muse, Radiohead (maybe), Porcupine Tree (newer stuff, anyway), Pure Reason Revolution, Oceansize, Mew, Doves, The Mystery Jets, The Mars Volta (though they probably belong in Eclectic Prog more than this category), Frost*, and others. I hope that this sub genre will be added to the website for a more accurate organization of bands. |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 08 2009 at 23:36
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the sound of Alt has certainly worked its way into some modern prog (I'd add Gazpacho to your list) -- the problem with 'Nu Prg' is that it isn't a musical category but rather bands bunched together that may or may not be musically related.. "NuProg" is more a term of ease used by the press and others to describe the more popular of the current if small Art/Alt trend |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: February 09 2009 at 18:40
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And then we add the Flaming Lips and PA goes up in flames . Although they are one of today's groups that stand out from the mass of shapeless and formulaic rockers.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 02:51
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When this was previously disucssed, I think the general conclusion reached was that the use of the word "prog" in nu-prog etc. did not actually indicate a relationship with our prog.
There is for example a genre known as progressive trance, but it has nothing to do with prog as such.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 03:42
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Seriously, no one use the terms "nu prog/new prog/alternative" ever again on this forum please. It's one of the worst terms to describe any music genre ever, christ. It's a term coined most likely by idiots who can't be bothered using proper genre terms. Calling Muse and Coheed and Cambria "Nu Prog" is about as useful and specific as calling Dream Theater and Isis prog metal bands 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 03:49
| ^but at least Progmetal exists as a general category, NuProg isn't actually real |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 03:58
^True
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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 07:39
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Already exists the genre crossover prog to add some prog bands with a "indie' sound connection...
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 07:51
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^ we try ------------- What? |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 15:14
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NuProg bands can be found in various categories here. I had brought up this topic before (for a Nu Prog/ Post Prog category), and am of the feeling that while NuProg would a useful tag for artists in PA, and a useful term for describing acts, it's rather too diverse to be warranted for placing Nu Prog bands in a single category. So better as a descriptor than as a functional and useful category. I did feel that it could be helpful with placement. Aside from the concern that Nu Prog bands are so diverse that it doesn't warrant its own category, there were also concerns that it would open the doors to bands that should not be considered truly Prog (at least by PA standards). The other concern expressed had to to do with PA's taking a back-seat to others "Prog definitions," as I understood it. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 15:22
| Personally, I hate the tag 'nu', and I'd rather not see it here. Moreover, I really don't think we need another subgenre, especially one that is not really a subgenre, but more of a convenient descriptor for bands that don't have much in common but the fact they have been active in the past few years. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 15:51
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It means more than that. I use it to describe modern alt. Prog and Indie Prog bands. I used the term in this bio for a band in Eclectic: ../artist.asp?id=4102 - CRIME IN CHOIR Here's quite a good one for describing it, and with a list at http://rateyourmusic.com/list/WiiAreRabbid/new_prog__progressive_rock_with_a_modern_twist/ - rateyourmusic Here's the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_prog - wikipedia definition Of course if we were to adopt the term, we would have to adapt it on our terms. We would need to set our parameters/ expectations. ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 15:55
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Nu prog - not a good, novel or even new idea. Adding more subcategories in general isn't - we could soon find ourselves with Christian Prog, Spanish prog, Scandinavian prog, neo-classical prog, and God knows how many tags for people who need to set a new tag on anything that isn't a total replica of what has been done before. Ever seen the metal categories at rateyourmusic.com? A perfect example of where I think we really, really, really don't want to go... ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 16:00
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Come to think of it, if we did have multi-tagging (how nice it would be to be able to search albums here by tags listed in order of preference), Nu Prog would still be unnecessary. Alternative would suffice for my needs.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 19:12
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I, personally, think that both creating a subgenre and the tag itself are useless. Firstly because the bands are very diverse, and i don't think you guys would like to create a genre as unmanageable (and aimless) as Art Rock was and, secondly, that sub genre would also bring bands to the site that are even further away from any definition (the band X is similar to the band V, which is similar to the band U, but none of them are similar to the band A, which was the original focus of the genre). That can surely happen due to 2 facts: 1) this site's inclusive politic and 2) we don't know WHAT 'nu'-prog sounds like exactly, we only have a vague idea about it (besides, one (1) nu-genre is enough in the world, being that the nu-metal).
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 10 2009 at 22:18
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Any more disapproval is unnecessary, but I will register my objection anyway. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: eddz
Date Posted: June 09 2009 at 22:00
The already implemented "crossover-prog" is even vaguer. It includes much of new-prog, other more popular genres fused with prog. It creates a pretty vague sound, but I don't think it's a problem. ------------- 
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CCVP wrote:Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 16:25
| ^ Touché! |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 16:33
I can see where you are coming from, but to be entirely honest with you, my definition of this would be: an incresing number of new rock/alternative rock bands have recently incorporated prog elements in their music... and that is generally my opinion for most of these bands (not PT for sure) |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 16:42
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Well, as long as we're talking about bands that spice up their musical explorations with elements of prog, then we're dealing with prog-related acts. The other way around, prog acts incorporating elements from modern rock, indie and similar are pretty much covered by Crossover and Neo now ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 17:53
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As I think was already touched upon, the Xover Prog category more than fits the bill for the bands you're talking about. Any band with more modern Rock tendancies who is actually "Progressive" buy our definition count as "Crossover", and as far as I am concerned, that's all that is needed. Perhaps one day if the bands within Xover become more and more diverse amoungst themselves, a new sub-genre will be made for clearer serperation, but at this point I personally think it would be a waste of everyone's time to wade through the bands scattered across the 'Chives that are considered 'Nu-Prog' by the general non-proggers ion the public. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 18:44
There is also Nu-Jazz  Anyway, all this Nu-Prog discussion is interesting, and it definitely has to do with our prog, but as others have said creating Nu-Prog as a subgenre on PA would only bring new confusions to our sistem. There's a lot of influence on prog from the alternative rock sound, parts of which managed to create entirely new sub-genres (post-rock and math rock), and others parts which are very important to many bands listed here as crossover, ecclectic, heavy, metal or even folk. Gathering them into one big dump would not help anything. |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 19:01
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Nu-anything is basically the most undesirable genre tag out there.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 20:12
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My concern with this is that the bands are not doing anything that warrants the Nu or New tag (or nou/neu/nouveau/nuovo/novo/ny/nieu/nov etc.) - they are not even Prog TNG but variants on existing genres of rock music with an added Prog flavour, or existing genres of Prog music with an alt-rock flavour - neither of which are vaguely new in any way. [Crossover] Art Rock, Neo Prog, Psyche/Space, Prog Folk, Canterbury and Krautrock artists have been doing that for over 30 years.
To date all the bands that have been mentioned in the same breath as Nu/New/Alt Prog have either fitted into an existing PA category or failed the entrance exam on the strength of their Prog quotient (and not because they were Prog but didn't fit anywhere).
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 11:51
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Posted By: eddz
Date Posted: July 07 2009 at 11:44
Similarly, there's the genre progressive house and progressive dance. Unlike these, though, the genre new prog (this is the spelling I've come to know) shares the musical complexity, diverse and eclectic origins, and (if only an attempt) the same subcultures as progressive rock, as well as many of the aspects of alternative rock. It deserves a chance to be considered in the realm of older progressive music. I especially think this, as this is the only progressive music in which I've witnessed the actual popularity, being at my young age. By all means it should be compared to older styles of prog. The administrators and such obviously think this as well. -------------
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