Beck,Page or Clapton?
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Topic: Beck,Page or Clapton?
Posted By: mrcozdude
Subject: Beck,Page or Clapton?
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 07:01
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This must of been done before I'm sure,but I couldn't find anything in search. Three great guitarists with familiar backgrounds,who's your favourite and why? I think Beck is probably the better guitarist though he's never had as much commercial success as the others but my favourite would have to Page,Zeppelin influence me hugely more so then anything Clapton has done. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: June
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 07:28
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If we're gonna do favourite, Clapton for me, mainly based on my fondness for blues. I'd agree that Beck is probably the actual best guitarist of the three, though. As for Page, well, first, I'd take Cream over Led Zeppelin anytime, so if I add Derek And The Dominos, John Mayall Bluesbreaker, Blind Faith, and Cream to Clapton's solo career, there's just no contest. Clapton probably was on 5 of my top 10 albums.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 07:38
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A hard one I reckon. Let's see. Page's live playing was an absolute horrid slop fest at times. Being strung out on heroin while (trying) to play doesn't seem to go good for playing in tune or in time. Consistency was never a strength of his either. On his side is innovation in the studio and of course on the instrument itself. Even though I don't really listen to his stuff anymore, I recognize the fact that legions of guys that use blues rock licks in their soloing (I'm no exception, I take plenty of cues from Page, Clapton, Beck and Hendrix when I play blues rock). When it came to chops, Clapton was way ahead of Page. He may not have been the fasted player on the block, but he worked his butt off on bending and vibrato, and at the time (mid/late 60s), few guys had such great command of those techniques like Clapton. Even today, he is still extremely well versed in those techniques. His playing was almost robotic in precision compared to Page, but good phrasing and his command over bending and vibrato and his note choice mean his playing was anything but cold. He was just consistent all the time which in itself was both a good and bad thing. Good because it meant he didn't really take risks when improvising so his playing was never a slop fest. Bad in that it could be rather predictable. His rhythm guitar though, is quite weak, and in that aspect, Hendrix made him look like an absolute hack (I'm firmly in the camp of people that believes Hendrix was a better rhythm guitarist than a lead player). Also a weakness, is that pretty much after Cream and a few things after that, he lost his inspiration and quite frankly, any balls he had back in The Bluesbreakers, The Yardbirds and Cream. Anything past the stuff he did with Derek and The Dominoes with the Layla track, I don't find anything else he did worth listening to. At least Jimmy Page was still burning, when Clapton just burnt out. Jeff Beck, is easily the most expressive guitarist of the three, and the one I believe stuck to his ideals the best. Sure, it resulted in him never having the sort of commercial success the other 2 did, but it meant he was gonna take risks, taking left turns all the time and then out of nowhere, just a right turn you didn't see coming and you're thinking 'damn, this guy is on the edge'. Consistent, he wasn't, but at least he had enough balls to try something different and not going commercial for the sake of it, but it's clear unlike Page and Clapton, he truly grew as a musician over the years when the other two just totally peaked. Without him, instrumental guitar music might not really exist, he truly paved the way for it I believe. Because of Beck to an extent, guys like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani (my two favorite virtuosos instrumentalists) had a real chance of getting there stuff out there. I'll vote for Beck because I believe he was the best of the 3. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 08:34
I honestly don't know Clapton all that well, better acquainted with Page but still, going with Beck, ah Blow By Blow...
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 08:55
Beck for me.  I find his playing and music to be more interesting than that of the others, overall.
I have six of Beck's CDs, but only one Clapton (Time Pieces -- a "best of"), plus a "best of" Cream. I am no expert on Clapton's playing, but he seems much more subtle than either Beck or Page -- very little "flash" -- just a very solid, dependable blues-based guitarist.
Page of course I know well and love from Zeppelin, but still, when it comes to guitarists who can really impress me, and who I'd like to see live, Beck is one of my long-term favourites. He moves easily from jazz fusion, to full-out rock, to blues, to beautiful restraint and sustain. He does it all, and manages to have a unique sound.
All are great and important guitarists in rock history, though, beyond a doubt!  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 09:25
oh yeah.. for sure... Jeff Beck. In fact ..listening to Truth right now.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 09:37
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51117&KW=guitar+god&PID=2940505#2940505 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51117&KW=guitar+god&PID=2940505#2940505 I tried this last year. Let's see how these results compare at the end of the poll.  ------------- |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 10:00
| Favorite? hmm, it's between Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck, but I'll go with Beck because of his awesome solo albums(Wired and Blow by Blow) |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 11:29
| I went with Clapton for his body of work. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 12:40
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all 3 are great and have something special to offer. I got into Jeff Beck after i got into Zeppelin, Cream and Clapton in general. His playing is so much more versatile, and more technically proficient IMO. His music got more jazz-rock than the other 2 could, and just plain more interesting. he also stopped using a pick, but could still play Scatterbrain 3x as fast as the studio version. Jeff Beck for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 18:12
| Jimmy Page is a great writer, Beck is the most techincally skilled guitarist, and Clapton is my favourite. Clapton has the best feel, all due to his early days as I can't even listen to the hundred albums he's put out since. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 18:23
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they have something in common too: all three played for the Yardbirds. Clapton had as much problems with heroin as Page did, and there was a time when he was absolutely down because of it. his performance in the "Tommy" movie is from that time -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 18:29
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Jeff Beck for me an not even close. I love the fact he never traded commercial success over artistic exploration even though he certainly could have. I do love early Zep and Cream though. -------------  "What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: March 29 2009 at 19:12
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I can't get enough of Beck's solo work, amazing and adventurous stuff...
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Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 30 2009 at 08:28
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Since there's no way I can put any of these three masters above the other two I'll have to go with Clapton simply because of what he's had to overcome in his personal life (addictions, death of his son, etc.) If you're interested, read his autobiography. It's a terrific read. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: March 30 2009 at 12:52
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Page, hands down.
I've heard Jeff Beck accurately described as "The most expressive guitarist with nothing to say." And the most technically gifted of the three, are you kidding? Clapton is faster, cleaner and can squeeze the notes out just as well.
I got into Jeff Beck and Tommy Bolin in the late 80's because Jake E. Lee said they were big influences on him. Tommy Bolin was a fiery fury that had no trouble doing out-there jazz rock, blues, psychedelia, while Beck frankly has always bored me.
Jimmy Page totally changed the role of the instrument. Yes, he could be sloppy and erratic. But when he was on.....especially at home in the studio, he was second only to Hendrix in the impact he had on what it means to be a rock guitarist. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: March 30 2009 at 16:41
| I used to really like Jeff Beck but over theyears I've come to really like Eric Clapton's playing. The times I've seen Page live he's never been able to reproduce his studio stuff very well and he always seems to be out of tune. That has always raised a red flag for me. |
Posted By: Gustavo Froes
Date Posted: March 30 2009 at 16:48
I do believe Beck is the most technically gifted of them.But Page is a much better musician in therms of arrangement and composition,specialy if you take in consideration that he rarely made anything outside pentatonics. As for Clapton,he's only serious contender back in the 60's was Hendrix,but I do believe that,by the time Zep showed up(and afterwise Deep Purple and Sabbath),these guys rewrote the manual. |
Negoba wrote:Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 30 2009 at 21:47
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Jeff Beck for his technical abilities, Clapton for his subtleness and Page for his brash blues, rock. I love all three and am fortunate to own the LP "Clapton,Beck and Page". I will go this time with Jimmy. -------------  "Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 17:45
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Could Page or Clapton play 'Scatterbrain' ?
Nuff ' said..........JB's the guy !!!!! ------------- "...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..." |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 17:56
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Actually I'm pretty sure they both could. Would they ever have composed it?? Probably not.
Could Beck have composed the Rain Song. No....
Could Page have composed Tears in Heaven......well probably.....hmmmm..... ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 18:01
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 18:04
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For me Page, his live performance was very energetic and very fine improvised no matter how sloppy was.
I have many "unnoficial" Led Zep shows and the 1969-71 are incredible. -------------  |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 18:06
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I went with Jimmy Page for two reasons
a) solo in Achilles Last Stand
b) solo in Stairway to Heaven
Sure he's sloppy as hell live, and I'll admit Beck is probably the best out of all three (I love his solo work), but there is something unique in Jimmy's playing in studio -------------  |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 07 2009 at 18:44
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Conor would be 21 or 22 now. It's so wierd. It seems like not so long ago...... You're probably right. I was being glib.
I really doubt Beck would have it in his soul to do the Rain Song either, though. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: April 09 2009 at 03:23
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Unfortunatey, they were all making a name when Hendrix came along, who left all 3 standing. Becks problem is he can't write. Page has got quite a back catalogue of great songs (quite a few nicked granted) but Beck just can't write and that puts him at the back of the bus as far as I'm concerned. Clapton I've just never got. Sends me to sleep. ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: April 09 2009 at 09:58
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My vote goes to Jimmy Page and not only for his work with Led Zeppelin, but also for the numerous recordings he made as a session guitarist before joining the Yardbirds. Seems to me he was able to play whatever was asked for.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: April 10 2009 at 21:36
| But really....Stevie Ray Vaughan. Especially if we're just talking about best guitarist and nothing else |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 10 2009 at 21:54
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well it's gotta be Beck, always the superior technician but with as much depth and feeling as Clapton or Page |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:35
Have you heard Blow by Blow? He composed the majority of that album... ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 12 2009 at 18:41
Beck, hands down, in this no brainer.
 But he's quite uneven, but he experimentes mosts. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: April 13 2009 at 03:18
I bought it when it cameout. not really my bag. But in 40 years, one LP's worth of half decent material isn't much to show. You listen to interviews with people he worked with in the 60's and 70's and they'll say the same thing. Like Mick Ronson, great side kick but no main act. ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: April 13 2009 at 05:19
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I vote for Jeff Beck. But Jimi Hendrix wins! ------------- 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 14 2009 at 13:58
| Beck,Page,Clapton > Gilmour ????? |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: April 15 2009 at 18:24
Saw them on the same stage first Stevie then Jeff then both. For blues Stevie maybe has an edge for overall Jeff hands down. Two great guitarists though.
If you want to see Jeff and Eric on the same stage pick up the DVD Live at Ronnie Scott's by Jeff Beck released late last year. Tremendous.
Oh and for Page he is out in the audience watching Jeff Beck at 64 play better than he could ever have hoped too.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 15 2009 at 19:08
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^ I saw that show, was it '89? Amazing, and though I'm a huge Stevie fan, I have to say that night Jeff ruled the world. Also saw Beck with Page and Clapton on the Ronnie Lane Appeal tour, he outshone everyone that night too. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: April 15 2009 at 19:15
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^ Yes 1989. It was the second to the last tour SRV did.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 15 2009 at 19:24
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yep, Jeff was touring Guitar Shop, and Stevie In Step |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 11:25
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^ It almost as good as seeing Jeff Beck on the Blow by Blow tour and Mahavishnu Orchestra on the Visions of Emerald Beyond Tour. Seeing John and Jeff share the stage was something else.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 11:47
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For those complaining about Page being sloppy live -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=3Rtp9ESo19A - http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=3Rtp9ESo19A
And I would still have enjoyed watching the show. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 11:53
Wake me up when he's finished. ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 11:55
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This is what made the guitar exciting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZKuZzPbuIg ------------- ~Jump you f**ker jump~ |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: April 16 2009 at 12:00
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Jeff Beck...hands down. Two of his albums rank in my favorites to this day, Wired and Blow by Blow. ------------- 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 11:57
| Still interesting to see that Clapton is getting so little love on here. |
Posted By: LeStaf
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 16:03
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In the order:
Beck
Clapton
(Page isn't in my list) ------------- LeStaff |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 21:15
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For me.
Page > Beck > Clapton
Granted they're all in the top 5 guitarists of all time IMO.
I'm still a Zep fan, I'm not terribly into the Yardbirds but Becks solo stuff is terrific. As for Clapton, I love Cream and I like the Dominos, his solo stuff is hit and miss, his early stuff like Slowhand is really good, but somewhere along the line he just got really boring. Especially when he got into the adult contemporary/easy listening stuff. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: vuh
Date Posted: April 23 2009 at 08:38
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For years I've heard guitarists heap plaudits on Beck so I assumed he must be really good. I've not heard much by him but most of what I've heard hasn't been very enjoyable. Hi Ho Silver Lining has one of the worst solos I've ever heard, She's a Woman is just terrible and Gets Us All In the End is nothing short of embarassing. Only the tracks I've heard from Truth were worth listening to.
I like Cream but Clapton's solo career leaves me cold. That horrible ooo-wee-ooo-ooo-wee phrase he plays on Wonderful Tonight makes me want to listen to Throbbing Gristle (and I don't even like Throbbing Gristle).
I like Page's sloppiness, extra long guitar strap, dragon flared trousers and violin bow. I also really like his acoustic playing and his production skills.
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