Print Page | Close Window

(Pre/Post-)Baroque + Rock Band Instruments

Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Other music related lounges
Forum Name: General Music Discussions
Forum Description: Discuss and create polls about all types of music
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90247
Printed Date: May 25 2018 at 01:32
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: (Pre/Post-)Baroque + Rock Band Instruments
Posted By: jayem
Subject: (Pre/Post-)Baroque + Rock Band Instruments
Date Posted: October 22 2012 at 22:24
A thread to show our favorite (Pre-/Post-)Baroque, revisitings through the dynamics of rock bands.


If you don't know this one (Egg band meets Bach) : warm sound of early seventies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT3q4iEaB6Q" rel="nofollow -


Many baroque-or-so pieces I feel like they can become great rock geared stuff, but as I haven't heard them played by anyone so why don't I try myself...Feel free to share your own attempts !!




-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection



Replies:
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 00:24
Sorry, as my signature shows, I hold the Man from Eisenach in too much esteem to like when his music is trampled horrendously.

Though I won't deny the talent Emerson had to make less-than-atrocious classical-to-rock adaptations.

-------------


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 07:17
Commenting without even having lent an ear ? What is your esteem for monumental composers worth then?


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 09:52


-------------


Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 09:56
Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

-------------


Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 10:51
someone should do a metal instrumental version of the solo partitas might be fun

-------------
They flutter behind you your possible pasts,
Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost.


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 13:17
Can't delete


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 13:20
Originally posted by menawati menawati wrote:

someone should do a metal instrumental version of the solo partitas might be fun

Go for it !!

BWV 825-830 ? Quite much work if you rehearse /+ program each and every measure of those pieces.

Is there any part you're really into ...How would you play them (slower vs faster, ninja-like vs heavy, serious vs carefree )? 


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 14:03
Steve Morse covered Bach's 'Jesus, Joy of a man's desiring' just as many other guitarists like Leo Kottke. WIth his trio, Steve Morse Band, he often had one track inspired by Bach
 
Also, Jethro Tull's "Bourrée" is a famous Bach-inspired piece of music :
 
In jazz, Jacques Loussier made some good renditions of Bach's music.


-------------
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 14:32
Jean-Marie, I quite like the tracks you posted. They are quite faithful to the spirit of Bach's music.

-------------
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 17:08
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.

-------------


Posted By: menawati
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 17:18
Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:

 
Is there any part you're really into ...How would you play them (slower vs faster, ninja-like vs heavy, serious vs carefree )? 

a raw heavy brutal and fast version of the long 11 minute bit Partita 2 - Ciaccona, riffs galore


-------------
They flutter behind you your possible pasts,
Some bright-eyed and crazy, some frightened and lost.


Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:22
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.


It always seemed like a bit of a pointless exercise to me.


-------------


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 12:49
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Jean-Marie, I quite like the tracks you posted. They are quite faithful to the spirit of Bach's music.


Thanks for Morse, Tull, Loussier suggestions. Nice to meet you ! 


Maybe you're meaning that similar tracks qualify for "faithfulness to the spirit" when they don't sound like an exercise.

Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz, should he abruptly wake up now, would he? In that regard the original "spirit" is lost.

I'd also say that the joy of being touched by music refering to societies of a remote past has a taste of "spiritual" transcendance, which can be kept even when we pretend to "fit" that music to our likenings into extending the ways of rendition with current musical gear.


Originally posted by menawati menawati wrote:

a raw heavy brutal and fast version of the long 11 minute bit Partita 2 - Ciaccona, riffs galore

BWV 1004 you mean? If nobody has done it yet this one will probably tempt some melodic metal band sooner / later...



Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 14:41
Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:


Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz

Bach encouraged his pupils to improvise. We can thus say that he was the first jazzman. Also I once saw a musical documentary in TV  where some Bach music was seen as the source to the jazz "walking bass".

-------------
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 24 2012 at 19:01
How about the sexual thing in jazz


Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: October 26 2012 at 23:42

:)


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 05:14
Nice to meet you !...

What you've linked is Beethoven's Sonate 8 2nd mov

Symphony X did play Bach indeed :


Hehe...Doesn't Beethoven deserve a thread for himself ?





Posted By: FunkyHomoSapien
Date Posted: October 28 2012 at 16:09
Bach was a REAL genius.


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 28 2012 at 20:58
Originally posted by FunkyHomoSapien FunkyHomoSapien wrote:

Bach was a REAL genius.


Actually I only like around 25 percent of all BWV's I've heard, and that's not saying he's anything else than an exceptionally gifted composer. But the recording of his works doesn't move me and shake my guts more than several rock bands around. So how do we care if he's a genius ?


If you've skipped three classes in school like he did, have a good ear, and get a solid musical education + passion in music + curiosity for every style + taking time to compile, you're likely to be technically as good as he was.

Because he studied very diverse styles, rythmics and patterns, nearly everyone of us is fond of one bit or the other.

Few people take the time and dedicate themselves to learn how to write a solid fugue, and become proficient with instruments played in the XVIIIth ctry.

Perhaps people are impressed too easily.


What do you mean anyway...


1. Beethoven isn't a genius ?
2. This thread is pointless ?
3. The fact people are still revisiting his works 262 years after his death shows how great he was; furthermore I don't care about the very purpose of this thread ?



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 29 2012 at 17:49
How about the REAL thing?
 


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 29 2012 at 18:08
YEEEEAAAAAHHHH !!
Clap!
Clap!
Clap!
Clapp!
Clap!
Clap!
Clap!
Clapp!
Clap!
Clap!
Clap!
Clapp!
Clap!
Clap!
Clap!
Clapp!
...


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 01 2012 at 19:37
This one, if not  particularly a joke, a fun ornamenting session :






Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 03 2012 at 14:40
Slightly corrected




Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 03 2012 at 21:58
 ..The image must be a powerful repellent, but how can I draw it back ? BWV 618 is about Good Friday, so its music cannot express anything but bigotry can it


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 04 2012 at 23:58
What?

-------------


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 05 2012 at 11:42
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

What?

HA! Ha!

If we find one single person in the World who is fond of BWV 618 and doesn't show any symptom of bigotry, then I'll probably have to admit I'm wrong.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 05 2012 at 12:29
Oh. Troll.

-------------


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 05 2012 at 12:37
No I don't think you're really a troll.


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 05 2012 at 13:36
No, I just fall in their traps sometimes. 

-------------


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 05 2012 at 14:52
As well as the issue of revisiting of Bach through contemporary filters, the "trapping" comment about bigotry can be understood as a way to question the extent to which we're willing to get the original drive of the composer when we play / hear a piece.
Interesting question to me.

But of course this thread's aim is beyond words, the share of some baroque (or earlier) works + rock gear, like the following...










Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:37


-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 09 2012 at 12:28
Froberger ( please someone play the original piece at my funeral )




-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: December 09 2012 at 15:08
Some video game composers show a clear Bach-influence. Here are two great songs.
 
Forgotten Worlds (1989) (Alph-Lyra, Izuho Takeuchi)
 
 
Strider (1990) (Junko Tamitani)
 
 


Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: December 09 2012 at 15:10
Lacrimosa (german goth metal band) uses a lot of barouque influences
 


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 04:44
Originally posted by wilmon91 wilmon91 wrote:

Forgotten Worlds (1989) (Alph-Lyra, Izuho Takeuchi)
Strider (1990) (Junko Tamitani)
Thank you ! 20-25 year-old v.g. worlds have kept/gained a charm on its own


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: December 10 2012 at 05:02
Originally posted by wilmon91 wilmon91 wrote:

Lacrimosa (german goth metal band) uses a lot of barouque influences
 


This band seems to use a wide variety of styles, one of which let's say is baroque ! But I'd rather link this very piece to Schubert  lieds/ romanticism.



Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: January 19 2013 at 18:04
Unknown composer




Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: March 02 2013 at 02:19
Some sparse heavy gear on Gibbons (an early baroque composer isn't he )

Mix with MTron organ

Other mix with "plein jeu" organ + MTron sax



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 03 2013 at 20:56


-------------
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: March 05 2013 at 19:16
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:


This synth track made me enjoy the piece very much, unlike the organ rendering(s) of it I'd previously listened to.

...So I say, thank you !! And also I say church organs aren't bound to rule at playing parts from the pre-industrial era.


Now did anybody long for some clashing / roaring devices on any of those renderings ? 




Here's my try with the added layers...






Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: April 15 2013 at 20:31
BWV 651 is told to be a favorite of Joseph Ratzinger...

...Now how about heavy rock gear on it (re-uploaded with some flaws fixed)



Wouldn't Joseph Emeritus bet on a quieter call ?






Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 16 2013 at 14:36
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?
 
Is it ok if I add to this?
 
When it came out, I do not think it was that great ... and even my own father who already had over 3k LP's of classical music from the earliest to the latest, made the comment that it looked like something for a fair and fun a lot more than it was designed to be "classical" music. I agreed, actually, though my dad misinterpreted Tomita later because of it!
 
As represented in the Stanley Kubrick film, it made more sense, as it was used almost as a cartoon, and not a meaningful piece of music compared to the other pieces used in that film and his film before that.
 
I've never thought that it was serious music, but it helped bring classical music out a bit more to the "masses", while also making people better acquainted with the synthesizer and its sound ... and that helped, eventually, make the "progressive" new bands sound better and the sound more acceptable. Which consequently fueled what became known as "progressive" because of so much synth work ... and specially solos.
 
But the best mix for me, is pretty much around a lot of the folk music bands in England and its northern areas, where they mix anything with everything, and you get some nice mixes, and then one day you get Steeleye Span and feedback and you wonder if the sky fell off the mountain or something!
 
And of course, there is always Gryphon, whose music was used in a National Theater production and helped it gain fame for the band and the production itself! But then, the National Theater needed no introduction and has a history of ... gads ... I have to look, but it's more than 75, and might even be 100 years!


-------------
... none of the hits, none of the time ... now you know what the art is all about!
www.pedrosena.com


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: May 01 2013 at 19:28
Buxtehude weaving, embroidering on a very well known "cantus firmus"






Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: June 07 2013 at 18:50
There are quite a few more "groovy" BWV's waiting for their rock gear treatment, but not all the BWV used in the film industry, isn't it ?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001925/" rel="nofollow - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001925/




-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 23:25
Jelonek  "barock" efforts



Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 23:56
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.

"Switched on Bach" is not as expressive as hearing an orchestral Brandenburg Concerto or J Powers Biggs blasting through the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, but I think it's still cool for a couple of reasons.  First it introduced the music of JSB to many people who otherwise would never have heard it in their ordinary listening.  Second, it came at a time when the Moog had been only used for sound effects or novelty records...as such, it proved the theory that this new invention was capable of producing "serious" music.  I liken that to Frank Zappa's "Francesco Zappa" album where his synclavier is used for a similar "proof of concept".


-------------
https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 06 2013 at 17:02
Anybody heard of Chip Davis aka Manheim Steamroller? Their "Toccata" from 1979's Fresh Aire III I owned as a vinyl 12" EP. My friends and I would listen to it at 33 1/3, 45, and 78 rpms and argue over which version was better. ALL sounded perfect! such was the outstanding sound quality of American Gramaphone.

-------------
Drew Fisher,
Prog Is Alive and Well in the 21st Century,
Second Cloud on the Left Farm

La Farge, Wisconsin


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: August 10 2013 at 11:21
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Anybody heard of Chip Davis aka Manheim Steamroller? Their "Toccata" from 1979's Fresh Aire III I owned as a vinyl 12" EP. My friends and I would listen to it at 33 1/3, 45, and 78 rpms and argue over which version was better. ALL sounded perfect! such was the outstanding sound quality of American Gramaphone.

I don't know if we should call it a baroque piece, but since it features a harpsichord and they call it Toccata they must be baroque lovers.

On Youtube it's celebrated with lots of thumbs up and not a single thumb down !



Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 21 2013 at 03:46
Organ from Vincent Warnier's Orgelbüchlein marathon ( one can play very well during an organ marathon !! )





-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: January 10 2014 at 21:07
Same cantus firmus as BWVs 663 & 664, all among my BWV favs !




-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 05:25
Next one !!






...No rock band gear ( why not get back to it later ), but If you should discover a non baroque treatment of BWV 671, I'd vote for that one...


"rock band" mix I enjoy nevertheless








-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: May 03 2014 at 18:16
Back to an old mix, where it's not  all MIDI, only MIDI dr and a bass line added on an audio track.



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: June 07 2014 at 14:16
I only liked the 2 first minutes of BWV 678 until I heard this rendering:


By 21 the player was granted "summa cum laude" virtuosity on 2 instruments...What's dour for many must be a leisure for him !! I can't really enjoy much of other videos from him but am impressed at his amazing improvising abilities. Check his channel...


BWV 678 + rock gear here:



Other remixes from previous posts: A slightly abridged BWV 676 and Gibbons In Nomine 2 with "plein jeu" organ



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: Altairius
Date Posted: June 07 2014 at 23:37
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:


Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz

Bach encouraged his pupils to improvise. We can thus say that he was the first jazzman. Also I once saw a musical documentary in TV  where some Bach music was seen as the source to the jazz "walking bass".


*cringe*


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: June 09 2014 at 09:07
Originally posted by Altairius Altairius wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:


Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz

Bach encouraged his pupils to improvise. We can thus say that he was the first jazzman. Also I once saw a musical documentary in TV  where some Bach music was seen as the source to the jazz "walking bass".


*cringe*

So it's the only thing you find it worth typing about this whole thread ?



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 12:17
A http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99333&PN=1" rel="nofollow - similar thread was created those days. Wonders inside !!



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 03:21
And now ?... BWV 664



Also four new remixes in edited posts above: BWV 611, 635, 676, 678


-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: January 15 2015 at 14:46
Because the fugal style didn't really fit the pop/rock make-up despite the exciting pace and "groove", this is an entwined BWV 618.


*************************

Lately found  http://www.jwpepper.com/10457549.item#.VLgkEiuG9-V" rel="nofollow - this  on the net

...and 





And a pile of others: I just typed "Bach rock", key words I hadn't previously entered in my searches (I had typed "barque'n'roll" or "barock'n'roll" without thinking of simply typing "Bach rock" !!)


-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: March 01 2015 at 11:17
A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Caspar_Ferdinand_Fischer" rel="nofollow - Fischer mix

Audience (sparse voices, shouting in different ways): Fischer's F Chaconne !
Band's spokesperson: ...Fischer's F Chaconne.
Audience: YEEEEAAAAAHHH

(no "special treatment" before 1'48)



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 12:12
Now? THE BWV piece that "hooked" me into those rock-geared-old-music voyages.



NB: If there's an ad before the video, it means that the piece is using some existing published audio track (here organist Wolfgang Zerer).





-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 15:30
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?

I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.

"Switched on Bach" is not as expressive as hearing an orchestral Brandenburg Concerto or J Powers Biggs blasting through the Toccata and Fugue in D minor, but I think it's still cool for a couple of reasons.  First it introduced the music of JSB to many people who otherwise would never have heard it in their ordinary listening.  Second, it came at a time when the Moog had been only used for sound effects or novelty records...as such, it proved the theory that this new invention was capable of producing "serious" music.  I liken that to Frank Zappa's "Francesco Zappa" album where his synclavier is used for a similar "proof of concept".
 
Indeed, but I would say very far from as expressive as hearing an orchestral Brandenburg Concerto. Personally Wendy Carlos' didn't impress me, not even his other works. For this sort of music, I prefer pretty more Pell Mell's few works, even admiting that Wendy Carlos is hell of a virtuoso.
 
By the way that some electronic instruments are being concerned, once I read something very cleverly pointed out by Gerinski in an old thread: "It's not that difficult to sound spectacular with a powerful synth, but playing classical piano can not be pretended, either you can or you can not." This statement is unfairly bypassed nowadays.
 
 


-------------


"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 15:45
Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:

How about the sexual thing in jazz
 
I'm gradually finding out how interesting and intriguing is the way Jazz music (and even more its derivations) is managing to keep itself much more alive in Internet music forums if compared to the Classical Music fate (except post-war composers, I guess.) Well, saying quite hipothetically, if the latter didn't exist then perhaps I would have had better chances to be a Jazz "nut", I don't know really, maybe the available time today isn't enough for me to get more into it. My only issue with the Jazz that I sometimes listened to so far is maybe that I just find in this music the overall virtuosity mostly in service of its beauty of texture and the improvisation as well - I'm not criticizing it at all frankly, no doubt that its atmosphere in general is capable of evoking a more strongly seductive appeal, and often expressing a great sensual appeal too, but OK this is mostly what I personally felt about jazz, in a very subjective way really.
 
I know very few of Jazz, so I would like to know if it is easy to find other Jazz music with other moods. To be more clear, I mean in Classical Music for example it is pretty common to find fluctuations between let's say "deep melancholy" (or any whatever more inward-looking mood) combined with a very manic kind of energy, like wanting to conquer the world, to say the least. Literally speaking, it’s not just a shift from one movement to the next, it’s often within the same musical gesture, or motif, or phrase.
 
I really would like to find for example a Jazz composer that could express something that’s very different from his own life at the time – I often feel that when Mozart’s music is at its purest it was often when his life was at its messiest (just my own feelings anyway.) But just what most profoundly strikes me of his music is when I feel from it an extremely deep and painful expression of longing, something very common in Chopin's too for instance, but in the case of the former is where I feel the REAL Mozart "speaking" to me.
 
 


-------------


"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 16:01
Sorry for not (by now) recommending something concerned to this interesting thread, but when it comes to recommendations, I think one tends to suggest his favourite music, mine is that in which the composer puts all his virtuosity in service of a varied emotional (and strongly melodic) pallete, whose sophistication be capable of expressing a sublime grace, with the tenderness of its subtleties having a tremendous depth and impact without having any sort of weight - well this is Classical Music Wink
 
 


-------------


"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:47
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Sorry for not (by now) recommending something concerned to this interesting thread

You certainly don't have to feel sorry or apologize.

I guess each and every prog lover here is looking for all what you're talking about in a way or another, being deeply touched or evading from one's messy life, longing, feeling in deepest ecstatic communion with the artist/composer, enjoying grace and delicacy etc.




-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 17:34
Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Sorry for not (by now) recommending something concerned to this interesting thread

You certainly don't have to feel sorry or apologize.

I guess each and every prog lover here is looking for all what you're talking about for in a way or another, being deeply touched or evading from one's messy life, longing, feeling in deepest ecstatic communion with the artist/composer, enjoying grace and delicacy etc.

 
Right on, I realize it too, and it's also why I'm here! Thumbs Up


-------------


"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 15:37
Since the probability is very low (c'mon!) that there should be only two or three humans on the whole Earth to be fond of /  keen on celebrating the existence of / those home renderings I upload, here we have. BWV 643: it has become the piece-I-want-to-hear-right-after-nr-641 (642 skipped for now, but maybe one day...)



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection


Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: January 29 2016 at 16:23
One's list of top fav Bach pieces can be long... A new one here :



 
...along with a couple of fresh remixes:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90247&PID=4676021#4676021" rel="nofollow -
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90247&PID=4676021#4676021" rel="nofollow - Froberger's Fantasia Ut Re Mi...
http://BWV%20664" rel="nofollow - BWV 664
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90247&PID=4793070#4793070" rel="nofollow - BWV 703



-------------
http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing !
https://bandcamp.com/machinechance" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Collection



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2014 Web Wiz Ltd. - http://www.webwiz.co.uk