Justin Timberlake goes Prog
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Topic: Justin Timberlake goes Prog
Posted By: Prog-jester
Subject: Justin Timberlake goes Prog
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 11:43
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_20/20_Experience" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_20/20_Experience 10 songs, 70 mins long. Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyJdt6Q2Y-Y" rel="nofollow - he tried doing long tracks with numerous parts before Discuss 
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"If Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin can do 10-minute songs and Queen can do 10-minute songs then why can't we? We'll figure out the radio edits later."Replies:
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 11:48
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Yeah, song titles like Pusher Love Girl and Let the Groove Get In sound totally prog. Spaceship Coupe though sounds more like a prog song. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:16
 Another unoriginal idea for the cover art... Paul Cusick was the first ------------- "Prog is Not Dead and never has been." (Will Sergeant, from Echo And The Bunnymen) |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:26
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The 2 songs he performed on SNL last weekend were not at all prog. However, many years ago, when a bunch of mu son's elementary school friends found out that we subscribed to HBO, they came over to watch an N'SYNC concert on that channell. The concert sucked, but as the backing band played over the closing credits, they incorporated a long stretch of Rush's Tom Sawyer into the music. It was as if they wantes to say "See? We ARE real musicians!"
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:36
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I liked the songs he played on SNL. Very rich, well-arranged pieces for a large band, and incorporating multiple stylistic shifts within each song. Not prog in the slightest, but that doesn't mean it wasn't good or even complex. It does, however, sound like a little bit of a departure from what passes for pop these days. My wife will probably buy the album (she has a little crush on him I think) and I'll give it a listen too. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:39
An old girlfriend of mine once bought a Justin Timberlake album. She's dead now.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:53
I didn't say the songs he performed on SNL were bad. Just not prog. Not something I'd pay to listen to, but better than most of what I've heard from him previously. BTW, at least some of his backing tracks were pre-recorded. You could hear his voice heavily in the harmonized accompaniment.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:53
If that's the effect his music has on people I don't think I will ever find out how proggy he is!
Ancient Chinese Proverb ' A long track does not prog make'
see 80s 12" records for example ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 12:56
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So Timberlake ripped off Saga with both the cover and the title (20/20) just one year after the Saga release. But Saga ripped off Cusicks cover ...same picture composition. But Cusicks cover looks a bit silly so maybe it was worth reusing the idea. They added Einstein , made it black and white. They had reasons for the 20/20 theme ,because of a risky eye surgery that the keyboardist went through, and it was their 20th studio album. Otherwise they could have ripped off this..  |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 13:05
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Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 13:19
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It'll just be pop songs with extended electronic intros/outros. Well at least it's some experimentation, the mainstream scene is getting insanely repetitive. ------------- http://thedarkthird.bandcamp.com/ |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 14:17
Yeah, next time we see him he will be showing a long beard, a Jon Anderson-like eastern shirt, bell-shaped pants and a blinking cape 
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Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 17:33
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Song length alone doth not prog make. Otherwise, Don McLean would be in the database for American Pie, and Isaac Hayes for his cover of By The Time I Get To Phoenix. I'm bringing earplugs back. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 17:59
| wait, did you really expect him to get Rick Wakeman on kybds and sing about broken-hearted elves? I mean this is certainly PROGRESSIVE comparing to what pop music has to offer these days. Of course you don't have to be profy in it, but hey, his new one for 2010s is what "The Colour of Spring" or "The Seeds of Love" for 1980s I think. And yes, long songs are what got me into it in the first place |
Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:02
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Guise pitchfork gave it 7.7 now we have to hail it as the best pop album ever. ------------- http://thedarkthird.bandcamp.com/ |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:04
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I just asked my wife if she knew about this album and she'd already ordered it. Hope it's good, cause I'm gonna hear it. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:07
Hold that thought. I'll get the popcorn. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:25
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:36
| I never did like "Sexyback" or anything from that album that I heard. Doesn't mean I won't check out this new album, but I'm in no hurry. |
Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:45
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My mind is wide-open to embrace Timberlake's new album as prog. I have not heard any of his songs outside of radio play, but if it's pop music with the same theatric/symphonic spirit as any other artist on this site then I will want to give it a fair try. |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:47
I thought your first post was meant as a joke. Progressive!!?? That song is just four super boring chords going round and round for 9 minutes! It's normal in a live situation to extend songs. There is not a shred of progressive in there, if you ask me. It's the antithesis to prog. Are you really not joking!?!? |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 18:52
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Well duh, hes been there for like 88 years already. He really hit it out of the park in 1978 with his album 'Dudes For Disco', which was all written for 66 violins, 89 tape machines, 33 percussionists, and 168 mellotron players. Six disc set!!!! ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 19:10
Well, you should expect it if you date old girls. And Timberlake's most progressive work is "  in a Box"------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 20:20
Justin Timberlake goes Prog ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 20:20
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I'm interested in these structures -that's all. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: mongofa
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 22:52
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Justin Timberlake > Yes > King Crimson = Gentle Giant2 ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 23:02
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Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: March 13 2013 at 23:33
| JT may not be prog but if he is doing extended jams with his Suit and Tie swing band I am all ears for that! |
Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 01:52
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Hey, I just heard Justin Bieber is releasing an album called "Justin Bieber Is Prog." Oh, sorry - that should read, "Justin Bieber Is A Sprog." |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 04:50
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Justin Bieber has just released the single greatest Prog Rock track of all freakin' time it is called "Kurt of My Generation" And Gentle Giant has got nothing on it ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 10:56
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That vocal counterpoint... It's like quarter notes against quarter notes... |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 11:08
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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 11:21
| I'm just going to pretend that him talking about Zep in an interview got at *least* three people interested in other bands that play long songs. (Yeah... massive long shot) |
Posted By: dysoriented
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 11:24
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Call me rude here but I reckon he'll lose most of his screaming little girl fan base this way! Everyone I know who listens to JT has no more of an attention span than that of a pickled egg. Fair enough if he wants to expand his horizons, but he'll still be producing the same mind-rotting poppy gonk he always does. I mean come on he's working with Timbaland and Jay-Z for heaven's sake! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 13:32
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I'm not so sure his demographic is still screaming teenage girls anymore. He's in his thirties by now.
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Posted By: dysoriented
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 16:43
| Mmmh, he's only been around about ten years, he's heavily promoted. When I go into college I still hear his music around the locker room T__T |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 16:51
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My perspective is admittedly pretty skewed. All the females I encounter in my daily life are either under 7 or over 37. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: dysoriented
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 17:07
| I work with teenagers and also study along side them, it'll be interesting to gather their feedback on this album. My only real talking point with people in general is ''What kind of music do you like?'' XD |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 20:29
| It does look like a desperate attempt to win over a different section of the audience because he may have been losing his usual target audience over the years. But I won't write him off, without first listening, which I have no intention of doing. Much better for me to remain indifferent. |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 22:47
| As far as mainstream pop goes, I think Justin Timberlake is one of the better singers. I usually enjoy his stuff when I hear it. He's also a decent actor. But there's no way this will be prog. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 14 2013 at 23:41
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I already have a bio ready for when we add him to PA. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 01:02
| ^ "Justin Timberlake shares initials with both Jethro Tull and Julian's Treatment." |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 01:23
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Posted By: Ady Cardiac
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 03:08
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timberlake?....prog??.......................just because a tunes 10 mins long doesn't make it prog.......thats just stupid.
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Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 04:25
Well...I didn't want to say anything... |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 16:55
| I love the way this thread goes. I DON LISEN DIS DIS IZ NO PROG attitude is the funniest thing one could ever think of, but it's really sad |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 16:56
I listen to a lot of non-prog. But for me it would go something like I DON LISEN DIS DIS IS STEAMING PILE OF POO. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 17:02
| ^ I disagree. The funniest thing one could ever think of is, "A dyslexic man walks into a bra." |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 17:17
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Longer than most pop songs? Yeah. Prog? Not at all!
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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 18:23
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this doesn't spawn a subgenre of pop. "OH EHM GEE! Lucy! Have you heard the new prop song by Ess Jane?! She repeated the chorus twelve more times than her last prop epic!!!--That's eighteen more times than [whoever the hell]!"  |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 19:33
Kraurock isn't for me then! and like Hemispheresof Xanadu says I hope this does not spawn a Pop genre called Prop  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 19:34
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Timberlake's long songs were much closer to Kanye West (Runaway), Radiohead's Paranoid Android, and techno/trance sessions, than they were to prog. Basically it was just longer, not much more than that. ------------- 
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 10:44
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 11:42
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That live track is not prog of any kind that I know. Even to compare it with Paranoid Android would be to drag down the complexity of that track as the latter has more changes within a much shorter length. I remember somebody once said Yaani's Live at the Acropolis was proggy. I didn't agree then but that Timberlake track did make Yaani sound proggy by comparison. |
Posted By: JocBT
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 21:26
Not sure if this is a rip off of the picture tou posted, but it is extremely similar  |
Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: March 18 2013 at 19:57
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RYM has actually voted in "Progressive Pop" as secondary 24 votes to 21. http://rateyourmusic.com/rgenre/set?album_id=4367115 ------------- http://thedarkthird.bandcamp.com/ |
Posted By: brodieshenton
Date Posted: March 20 2013 at 02:20
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I heard "Suit & Tie" and "Mirrors" and i loved both songs. ------------- http://www.spammer.html" rel="nofollow - spam |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:16
Long songs have been on the rise. Burial started doing longer tracks, as did Kanye West. Burial's Kindred featured two songs over 11 minutes long (one of them, Ashtray Wasp, was called the Bohemian Rhapsody of dubstep by more than one critic); his earlier Massive Attack EP was the same (2 tracks, both 12 minutes long), as is his recent Truant EP (14 minutes and 12 minutes). Kanye's widely-lauded My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy featured a 9 minute track, an 8 minute track, and 2 tracks over 6 minutes, plus a sample of King Crimson's 21st Century Schizoid Man, in case there's any doubt about the direction his album's leaning in. When those two are doing it, expect others to follow.
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Posted By: HaroldTheBarrel567
Date Posted: March 23 2013 at 23:53
| It may not be prog but as far as the album goes im digging it, and im not a fan of his previous work or mainstream pop whatsoever |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 07:14
| I believe Justin Timberlake was in a really unique/interesting Sci-Fi film titled "Out of Time". A unique plot..I thought! It felt like a modern day Rod Serling story. I was generally impressed..but short of that.I have no idea who he is. Great film though and he did an excellent acting job/role along side other character actors. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 12:13
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 15:22
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Well we have the new Timberlake album now. I've heard the first few tracks and it's not too bad. The production is a bit "safe", in that it has the same veneer as a hundred other current pop albums, so I was a little disappointed in that after hearing the warm live sound on SNL. The songs are okay. The first track kinda sounded like Stevie Wonder. If he gets added to PA, I'll submit a whole review. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 15:33
| I didn't like Mirrors. The rest of the album wasn't too bad, though. Not amazing, but not bad either. |
Posted By: Chozal
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 16:11
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Never thought Justin Timberlake would be discussed during several pages on a prog forum. Never thought a discussion on a prog forum would make me want to check Justin Timberlake out x_x ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Infinite-Progability-Drive/141225469388975" rel="nofollow - The Infinite Progability Drive , feeding you daily progressive/weird music for just a like <3 |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 18:02
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 20:13
I stand corrected! "In Time" was kind of interesting. It held my interest. I saw it recently for the first time and thought it was a great story idea.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 24 2013 at 20:15
| ^ I actually agree ... even though I fail to see the depth of it (if it has any at all). |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 12:09
Good point!
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: March 25 2013 at 18:10
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Since when has prog been the only genre with long songs. Timberlake is closer to minimal electronic (techno, trance etc.). Besides that, r&b has had "jams" for ages already. Krautrock is progressive due to its influence from minimalist classical. If you can't tell the difference between that and minimal electronic/hip hop influence, clean your ears out.
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Posted By: ArturdeLara
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:57
So Justin Timberlake just went experimental... Well, my friends, i'm afraid the time has come for me to say "Goodbye Cruel World". Now, gonna get some rope.  ------------- "Those who are not shocked when they first come across Prog theory cannot possibly have understood it." - Niels Bohr "If you think you understand Prog, you don't understand Prog." - Richard Feynman |
Posted By: CrimsonKing777
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 02:53
This Justin guy is full of suprises, I gotta give that. Well it's certain that he is better than the other teeth-grinding Justin Bieber boy  ------------- I cannot reach my old account so I opened a new one. (the old one is (De)progressive) Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley |
Posted By: ArturdeLara
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 04:33
Yeah man, even that Gaga slime is way better than Bieber. ------------- "Those who are not shocked when they first come across Prog theory cannot possibly have understood it." - Niels Bohr "If you think you understand Prog, you don't understand Prog." - Richard Feynman |
Posted By: CrimsonKing777
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 10:00
Actually we must open a topic like this: ''What 100.000 things are way better than Justin Bieber?'' ------------- I cannot reach my old account so I opened a new one. (the old one is (De)progressive) Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley |
Posted By: POTA
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 10:36
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Another current R&B singer, Frank Ocean is putting prog elements in his music too. I heard my little brother listening to this the other day. Start listening to the embedded video below at 4:25 or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEEFl_D6ljg#t=266s" rel="nofollow - click here to be taken to that part . |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 10:48
I quite like Ocean's first two albums. He's a fantastic lyricist, and that separates him from just everyone else in r&b. Have a listen to "Super Rich Kids" and read the lyrics at the same time. He's just a brilliant lyricist. I love "Novacane" too. Sometimes his voice reminds me of Otis Redding (e.g. "Bad Religion"), sometimes of Stevie Wonder (Super Rich Kids) (though he's not really like either...) One gets the strong sense that's he's only getting better, and hasn't nearly reached his potential. I can put "Pink Matter" on a loop and listen to it for an hour. 'Can't wait for his next album. "Wiseman," that track he did for Tarantino's Django Unchained film, is brilliant too; almost Ennio Morricone-esque. Tarantino's a fool for rejecting it.
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Posted By: terransage
Date Posted: October 12 2013 at 23:30
Funny I found this post by accident after an experience I had last night: I was riding with one of my co-workers (who's into Tool and Dream Theater), when he popped in a CD of what sounded at first like modern R and B. Soon it morphed into something more interesting, with unusual instrumentation, vocal effects, polyrhythms, and sound effects. It turned one of the lines of the song into a kind of mantra and went from R and B to something like space rock. I joked with my co-worker that this was progressive R and B, and to my surprise he said it was Justin Timberlake's new album. Then today I found this topic.....
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Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: October 16 2013 at 15:09
| I don't think it's Prog, but I do respect Timberlake for (re)pushing the boundaries of mainstream pop beyond the still-standard 3-4 minute barrier. |
Posted By: joshbaker
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 20:42
| I thought he sounds a bit progressive compared to other pop musicians. I thought the song "Mirrors" was kind of prog-ish. He's one of the few pop acts I like |