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Dick Heath 
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 Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:42 |
 Ofur wrote:
I suspect Frank Zappa had difficulties taking himself seriously, most of his music is so full of silly humor that I get the feeling he simply couldn't take himself seriously. I'm not saying he was a poor musician or anything, but it seems he was rarely able to be totally serious about it. |
Do some reading. I reading Barry Miles' excellent Zappa biography right at the moment:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1843540924/qid=1127 475669/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-9226558-7204446
and you will most likely change you opinion.
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chopper
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:41 |
Ofur wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
I probably wouldn't bother posting about something I didn't like.
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I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica (you just assume it because I was bashing it), however I like it for different reasons than most people.
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Ofur, let me throw in a few of your statements from your previous "cruel prank" thread: -
People like me buy the album get pissed off and spread the word that the album sucks which makes more people buy it. This is one of the major problems with the album.
Trout Mask Replica is painful to listen to
I just don't like Trout Mask Replica and I think it's really painful to listen to.
You don't even know what your own arguments are anymore! Give up and think of a new topic.
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goose
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 06:27 |
Ofur wrote:
Every time I think about the album it makes me laugh. I think the album is totally unlistenable, apart from two tracks that are ok. The idea of people liking this album and taking it seriously makes me smile every damn time I think about it. |
So you don't think people should take humour seriously? A great deal of the music I hold closest to my heart I started off laughing at. For me humour is one of (note: one of! )the strongest emotions I experience, and that's what drew me to Soft Machine, Genesis. And I'm sure it'll eventually draw me to Zappa, when I have the money to get a couple of records.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:55 |
horza wrote:
At 43 i'm one of ofur's delusional boring old farts,wonder how old ofur is  |
I'm guessing roughly 14-16 and under the misapprehension that he is a) extremely clever and b) extremely mature.
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horza
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:35 |
At 43 i'm one of ofur's delusional boring old farts,wonder how old ofur is
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 05:28 |
Ofur wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
Ahh I see so you should never criticize anything you like.
Let's just praise In the Court of the Crimson King and never mention that Moonchild is bullsh*t.
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Ofur... why don't you f**king well grow up?
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Grow up? I think I smell an old fart here. |
Does 19 count as "an old fart"? If so, yes you do.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 22:03 |
MustShaveBeard wrote:
Ofur wrote:
MustShaveBeard wrote:
Perhaps "bashing" was not the correct choice of words on your part. When I think bashing I think no matter what, you hate the album. Bashing and criticizing are completely different. For example, my (not at all) famous review of "CTTE" is bashing, because I don't like the song, and I express my distaste for it strongly. You can easily criticize something you like, but there's no way to bash it (bash a song, yes, but not the whole album).
BTW, I like Moonchild.
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CTTE is probably the song most responsible for me getting into prog. HOW DARE YOU put down my favorite song especially when you like the terrible Moonchild?
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Well so far the Roman Catholic Church hasn't torchered me yet for putting down the mighty Ofur's favorite song so I think I'm gonna be O.K...
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THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
Edited by Cygnus X-2
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MustShaveBeard
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 22:02 |
Ofur wrote:
MustShaveBeard wrote:
Perhaps "bashing" was not the correct choice of words on your part. When I think bashing I think no matter what, you hate the album. Bashing and criticizing are completely different. For example, my (not at all) famous review of "CTTE" is bashing, because I don't like the song, and I express my distaste for it strongly. You can easily criticize something you like, but there's no way to bash it (bash a song, yes, but not the whole album).
BTW, I like Moonchild.
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CTTE is probably the song most responsible for me getting into prog. HOW DARE YOU put down my favorite song especially when you like the terrible Moonchild?
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Well so far the Roman Catholic Church hasn't torchered me yet for putting down the mighty Ofur's favorite song, so I think I'm gonna be O.K...
Edited by MustShaveBeard
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 22:01 |
Ofur wrote:
MustShaveBeard wrote:
Perhaps "bashing" was not the correct choice of words on your part. When I think bashing I think no matter what, you hate the album. Bashing and criticizing are completely different. For example, my (not at all) famous review of "CTTE" is bashing, because I don't like the song, and I express my distaste for it strongly. You can easily criticize something you like, but there's no way to bash it (bash a song, yes, but not the whole album).
BTW, I like Moonchild.
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CTTE is probably the song most responsible for me getting into prog. HOW DARE YOU put down my favorite song especially when you like the terrible Moonchild? Some people like Trouserpress need to stop being so insulted all the time or is he only pretending to be angry like me?
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He's entitled to his own opinion, so there is no need to get mad. Not everyone is going to agree with you, so get a grip!
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Ofur
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:53 |
MustShaveBeard wrote:
Perhaps "bashing" was not the correct choice of words on your part. When I think bashing I think no matter what, you hate the album. Bashing and criticizing are completely different. For example, my (not at all) famous review of "CTTE" is bashing, because I don't like the song, and I express my distaste for it strongly. You can easily criticize something you like, but there's no way to bash it (bash a song, yes, but not the whole album).
BTW, I like Moonchild.
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CTTE is probably the song most responsible for me getting into prog. HOW DARE YOU put down my favorite song especially when you like the terrible Moonchild? Some people like Trouserpress need to stop being so insulted all the time or is he only pretending to be angry like me?
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Ofur
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:44 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
Ahh I see so you should never criticize anything you like.
Let's just praise In the Court of the Crimson King and never mention that Moonchild is bullsh*t.
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Ofur... why don't you f**king well grow up?
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Grow up? I think I smell an old fart here.
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MustShaveBeard
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:28 |
Perhaps "bashing" was not the correct choice of words on your part. When I think bashing I think no matter what, you hate the album. Bashing and criticizing are completely different. For example, my (not at all) famous review of "CTTE" is bashing, because I don't like the song, and I express my distaste for it strongly. You can easily criticize something you like, but there's no way to bash it (bash a song, yes, but not the whole album).
BTW, I like Moonchild.
Edited by MustShaveBeard
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:26 |
Ofur wrote:
Ahh I see so you should never criticize anything you like.
Let's just praise In the Court of the Crimson King and never mention that Moonchild is bullsh*t. |
Ofur... why don't you f**king well grow up?
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Ofur
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:21 |
Ahh I see so you should never criticize anything you like.
Let's just praise In the Court of the Crimson King and never mention that Moonchild is bullsh*t.
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MustShaveBeard
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:11 |
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I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica (you just assume it because I was bashing it),
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Don't you just hate it when people do that? Shame on you, TP! Just because someone says they don't like something doesn't mean they don't like it!
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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Ofur
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:10 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
I probably wouldn't bother posting about something I didn't like.
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I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica (you just assume it because I was bashing it), however I like it for different reasons than most people.
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And what might they be? Do tell us, master!
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Every time I think about the album it makes me laugh. I think the album is totally unlistenable, apart from two tracks that are ok. The idea of people liking this album and taking it seriously makes me smile every damn time I think about it.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:05 |
Ofur wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
I probably wouldn't bother posting about something I didn't like.
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I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica (you just assume it
because I was bashing it), however I like it for different reasons than
most people. |
And what might they be? Do tell us, master!
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Ofur
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 21:03 |
Trouserpress wrote:
Ofur wrote:
I probably wouldn't bother posting about something I didn't like.
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I never said I didn't like Trout Mask Replica (you just assume it because I was bashing it), however I like it for different reasons than most people.
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Retrovertigo
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:59 |
Zappa didn't take himself very seriously?
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Ofur
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 20:59 |
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Zappa didn’t take himself very seriously
This is a very good thread. Im glad Ofur came up with this conclusion 