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Sean Trane 
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 Topic: What Was The First Prog AlbumPosted: 1 minute ago at 02:35 |
see the release dates above... and below... Sgt Pepper >> rel May 26 Disraeli Gears >> rel Nov 10 R U Exp >> rel May 12 The Doors (for The End) >> rel Jan 4 Forever Changes >> rel Nov 1 Surrealistic Pillow >> rel Feb 1 After Bathing at Baxter's >> Rel Nov 27 . |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Posted: 4 hours 37 minutes ago at 21:59 |
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Right! I see the problem.
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Posted: 7 hours 16 minutes ago at 19:20 |
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Well technically the first one listed is Miles Davis - First Miles in 1945 but we can discount that as Miles is here for his fusion albums and they start much later.
The first appearance of something not jazz is Frank Zappa - Freak Out in 1966. 1967 is the first year with multiple entries Pink Floyd - Piper At The Gates Of Dawn The Moody Blues - Days Of Future Passed Procol Haram - A Whiter Shade Of Pale Traffic - Mr Fantasy I'm discounting entries with very few ratings Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - 7 hours 13 minutes ago at 19:23 |
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Posted: 8 hours 23 minutes ago at 18:13 |
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Do you mean Foxtrot by Genesis? That is 1972, right? I wonder what is the earliest Prog album listed on PA. That should be the one.
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Posted: 8 hours 44 minutes ago at 17:52 |
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Foxtrot is #2, not getting a result for #1
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Jaketejas
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Posted: 9 hours 19 minutes ago at 17:17 |
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Which is the first one listed in PA?
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Posted: 12 hours 31 minutes ago at 14:05 |
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It was a gradual evolution of course, but Prog as we understand it now ~ high musicianship, full use of organ & keyboards, classical and jazz incorporation, long compositions ~ for me it would have to be the Nice, Davjack in 1967 and ALVB in '68. Zappa, Floyd, and the Beach Boys come close, but no cigar.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Posted: 12 hours 60 minutes ago at 13:36 |
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https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine
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Posted: 14 hours 59 minutes ago at 11:37 |
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ITCOTCK was probably the first prog album of note as if ushering a new genre.
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Posted: 15 hours 2 minutes ago at 11:34 |
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It's akin to the good old debate about which was the first Rock & Roll record.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_rock_and_roll#Views_on_the_first_rock_and_roll_record All musical styles evolve out as what has gone before - with rock & roll it was primarily the blues, swing, jazz, rockabilly, etc, and prog as we all know evolved out of the psychedelia of the 60's, adding in a good dollop of blues, folk & jazz. The answer either both question is probably down to your own viewpoint. |
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Posted: 16 hours 28 minutes ago at 10:08 |
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I just read through the entire 30 pages of the 2010 thread with this title and found it very informative (despite the tangents several personal conflicts took us on). I was too young, ignorant, and uneducated to participate in that discussion, but as AFlowerKingCrimson said, I see no harm in allowing/promoting newer members' take on the topic--there's always learning to experience.
In case anyone has an interest in a longer version of an answer to the question, I've tried to summarize the 2010 discussion into a concise list of the albums offered at that time on this post on my blog, Prog Is Alive and Well in the 2st Century. https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/4177889769726575312/5361840915960305000 |
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Yes - Talk & Pink Floyd - The Division Bell.
About 20 years ago. |
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:48 |
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It depends on how you define Prog, or how loose your parameters are. I tend to look to 1967 with albums such as Procol Harum's self-titled (actually, I'd sooner call 1968's Shine On Brightly Prog), or Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed, The Nice' Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack. Stuff like Hansson & Karlsson' Monument could be descrobed as prog, or Proto-Prog.
I tend to put some 60s psych into the Prog umbrella such as 50 Foot Hose's Cauldron from 1967. And then there's Seventh Sons' Raga which is jammy, and was released in 1968, but is said to be from 1964. |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:38 |
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^ weirdly that also happened with The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis and Procol Harum - Shine On Brightly , and both albums had side long pieces. I'm not really sure why Ars Long Vita Brevis is less prog than ELP- Tarkus? No one doubts that Tarkus is prog? Interestingly The Nice were put into 'Symphonic' here so there is a question as to whether they should even be considered to be 'Proto Prog' . From 1968 Keith Emerson and Procol were already embracing progressive ideas but perhaps without the 'finish' and professionalism that was to follow a year later. In The Court was massively important though. It not only raised the benchmark but also made it clear that 'all bets were off'. After Rolling Stone famously did a 360 about turn in their opinion of the album , prog rock was here and sticking around!
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:03 |
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It’s basically a tie between In The Court Of The Crimson King and Hot Rats - both albums released on the same day, 10th of October 1969.
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 11:01 |
Caravan, Soft Machine, The Nice, The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd and Frank Zappa(or his representatives at least)are on their way to your house and want to have a word with you.   I agree KC had the first "official"(or the one that first gave the scene a lot of attention) prog album but it's certainly debatable if there was any "true" prog before it or not. For example on this site you will see many albums(and bands) that predate "court" that aren't considered proto prog.
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:44 |
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If it was good for 30 pages 10 years ago we can surely have a bit of a chat now.
In The Court Of The Crimson King is the first fully formed prog album IMHO, lots of elements came before on some very good albums but this is ground zero.
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Posted: April 03 2020 at 10:43 |
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Mine probably was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. Still a great album to listen to!
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