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Topic: David Gilmour > Jimi Hendrix Posted: January 08 2010 at 22:08
Ridiculous comparison. Can you even imagine either playing anything over the others music? No, it'd be absurd. I prefer Hendrix, but seeing as neither is mind-blowing in technical ability I wouldn't even know how to measure them against each other. I prefer Hendrix because I feel that he plays with more feel and soul, but also I would much rather listen to jam music than most of Floyd (I love floyd, I just prefer The Experience jamming). Now if you said Hendrix Experience jamming vs Barrett era Floyd jamming...that'd be a tough one to answer
I love both of them. I'm a major fan of Psychedelic music so they're both pretty much a given. I believe that I like Gilmour more all-around because I can listen to his whole output and be impressed whereas with Jimi, I can't stand his more Bluesy output. I would of loved to see Jimi work with Miles though. I can't imagine what albums like Pangaea would be like if Hendrix and Cosey were on them. That would make me self-destruct.
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Posted: January 06 2010 at 17:49
IMHO, Gilmour conveys more with his playing and contributed to more erudite acts, Hendrix's music was a product of its time, about women, drugs and the like. It was very psychedelic, badly recorded, with bad vocals.
Some material makes an impression, Machine Gun, Burning of the Midnight Lamp, Little Wing, etc.
More crude and saying a lot less are the clever and popular Purple Haze, Foxy Lady, Fire, etc.
but his best known songs remain Hey Joe and All Along the Watchtower, not written by him.
It would have been interesting to see how he might have fared with the similarly over-the-top Emerson Lake Palmer, but ELP isn't anything next to Pink Floyd either. IMO, ELP didn't really make a mark in the world until "Black Moon" and its beginnings of a political stance... beginnings.
Gilmour was in an ambititous experimental band and then a towering political-philosophical band in the Pink Floyd, well recorded, tightly performed songs.
Gilmour was the guitar of a great band, Hendrix wasn't.
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Posted: January 05 2010 at 09:03
I very much liked Hendrix when I started listening to 70's rock and I still like him(I would like to see what he could have done with Miles Davis) but I must admit David Gilmour moves me much more.2 great musicians anyway.
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I agree with aginor, Terry Kath should be considered one of the greats. His life was short also like Hendrix, but many dont give bis credit though. And I will go with Gilmour...
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:16
Ok I think I said it again and it absolutely doesn't add anything to the thread but I have to say it again, Gilmour >>>>>>>>>>>> Hendrix... outside of some great new techniques or whatever Hendrix created, I think he suffers from overratitis....
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 10:17
okey both are good but Gilmoure give me goosbumps more often then Hendrix but the riffs and the rumbling groove to hendrix songs ar Uniqe, what about Hendrix >Terry Kath (of Chicago fame) he is often regarded (and sadly overlooked) guitarplayr who was self tought guitar player, but was capable to keep up the paiste of his fellowe (schooled) band mates (Pankow, Lee Loughnane and Parazaider, Lamm and Seraphine I dont know if Cetera is schooled musican)-
but Terry Kath is probably one of the gratest rock guitarists in the 70s who both could play verry cool riffs but also great solos and even some jazz chords.
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Posted: January 04 2010 at 02:43
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The slop is there because he is trying to play things he's never rehearsed, I like it when a soloist tries to take chances.
I don't buy that and neither would many other guitarists either. There are plenty of great guitarists who have improvised things unrehearsed and haven't sounded like sloppy garbage in the process. Wes Montgomery, Allan Holdsworth and Guthrie Govan, while very different playing styles, all successfully improvise with great technique and all VERY daring soloists, far more out there with their note vocabulary than Jimi was ever capable Technique is hardly to do with speed anyway and more to do with actual accuracy. Plenty of guys could play faster than say David Gilmour and Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth, but a lot of guys lack the ability to bend notes in tune and do perfectly in tune vibrato with a consistent speed like they can. Gilmour firmly falls into the camp of "perfect technique" whether you like it or not, not because he plays fast, but because he is clean and accurate. And those singing bends and vibrato of Joe Satriani, Gilmour, Akerfeldt and Guthrie Govan keep me coming back for more on a much more consistent basis than Jimi's frequent outings. Look, I like Jimi and he had some great studio performances, but some of his live performances are so bad I cannot sit them at all. I don't have that problem with any of the other aforementioned players.
Malve, you say "No point in doing this" yet you unnecessarily bump my thread from the dead to restate the opinions of everything else that was already said and bring nothing new to the thread. It is cases that like that people are better off just leaving the thread alone rather than bumping it for the sake of seeing their name in a thread.
Well I live in a free world, and in a free world I can say whatever I want, even answering to this useless thread.
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Posted: January 03 2010 at 07:17
Initial poll Hendrix/Gilmour is a bit not correct in it's idea. I like Pink Floyd very much, and I like just some Hendrix works, but anyone can confirm, than to compare Hendrix (as guitarist ) with Gilmour (as guitarist) is a kind of joke.
Hendrix, with all his pros and cons, was great guitar innovator of it's era. Gilmolur was (and is) very average ( or let say - average and slow) blues-rock guitarist. Yes, his participating was important when Pink Floyd invented their great sound, but as guitarist, or even more - as solo guitarist he is far down from Hendrix, no comparance at all ( just listen Gilmour solo albums, any of them).
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Posted: January 03 2010 at 06:44
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Sorry, but you'd have to be deaf not to be able to hear the sloppiness
in something like this.
Lots of out of tune bends, terrible muting technique at various points
and plenty of notes that are entirely wrong altogether.
That is basically the definition of sloppy guitar playing bro, it's not
under question, he WAS a sloppy guitarist in the live environment.
And this was hardly the only terrible performance by Jimi either.
And anyway, if it bothered you that much jammun, you could have just
ignored the fact that someone bumped my thread basically almost 9 months later to repeat things everyone else saidMalve, you say "No point in doing this" yet you unnecessarily bump my thread from the dead to restate the opinions of everything else that was already said and bring nothing new to the thread. It is cases that like that people are better off just leaving the thread alone rather than bumping it for the sake of seeing their name in a thread.
A lot of us find that post-80s 'perfect technique' style of guitar playing to be kind of BORING I'll take Hendrix over a zillion Satriani wannabes any day of the week. The slop is there because he is trying to play things he's never rehearsed, I like it when a soloist tries to take chances.
Although if you are talking Woodstock, the slop is probably there because he hasn't bathed, slept or had a proper meal in days. Hendrix was the last one to perform at Woodstock, I doubt he was 'fresh as a daisy' at this point.
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Posted: January 03 2010 at 01:21
Sorry, I just saw the thread bumped. I found that worthy of a response. I do not think it necessary to post, nor comment, with regard to ANY musician at Woodstock. It doesn't matter if it's Hendrix or Sly or Santana or Joe Cocker or please lord forgive them Ten Years After. I'd say none were exactly at the top of their game during those 3 days. Lawdy Miss Clawdy, my name is probably associated with many a suspect thread.
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Posted: January 03 2010 at 01:05
Sorry, but you'd have to be deaf not to be able to hear the sloppiness
in something like this.
Lots of out of tune bends, terrible muting technique at various points
and plenty of notes that are entirely wrong altogether.
That is basically the definition of sloppy guitar playing bro, it's not
under question, he WAS a sloppy guitarist in the live environment.
And this was hardly the only terrible performance by Jimi either.
And anyway, if it bothered you that much jammun, you could have just
ignored the fact that someone bumped my thread basically almost 9 months later to repeat things everyone else said
Malve, you say "No point in doing this" yet you unnecessarily bump my thread from the dead to restate the opinions of everything else that was already said and bring nothing new to the thread. It is cases that like that people are better off just leaving the thread alone rather than bumping it for the sake of seeing their name in a thread.
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Posted: January 02 2010 at 23:35
How is this still in question?
Technical skill as a guitarist: Hendrix > Gilmour
Sloppiness aside (which is questionable, anyway), where's the argument? Does anyone think Gilmour could've played that solo on Come On?
Innovator in terms of introducing new musical vocabulary to rock: Hendrix > Gilmour
I've mentioned this before, there are articles in the guitar mags that parse the "Hendrix" chords, which had in fact not been heard before in rock. Haven't seen those articles w/r/t Gilmour.
Innovator in terms of introducing new sonic vocabulary to rock: Hendrix > Gilmour
Close one here, but Hendrix was there first.
Studio wizardy: Hendrix = Gilmour, but Hendrix got there first
I said it already.
Songwriter: Hendrix = Gilmour
Admittedly, subjective.
Interpreter of others' music: Hendrix > Gilmour
This I suppose can get interesting, if others' music = Roger Waters, but regardless of the slant Hendrix wins.
I simply don't understand how Hendrix can possibly come up short in these sorts of comparisons.
Edited by jammun - January 02 2010 at 23:36
Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
Oh well....not very clear comparison....but If Gilmour is surely one of the greatest guitar player on the world, it's also true that Hendrix was probably the most influential of all times.
There's no better one in the end....not to me...it would be like comparing two great writers...is it better Poe or Baudelaire? No point in doing that...
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Posted: April 24 2009 at 16:04
Hmmm.... Both are phenomenal musicians. From a guitar standpoint, Gilmour is one of the elite guitarists of all-time, but Hendrix is a arguably in a league of his own.
What I love about Gilmour is the total control he commands over his musical palette and his ability to effortlessly communicate passion and raw emotion with but a few notes and select tones and sounds. As a listener you can really feel the blues of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" and "Comfortably Numb" and the raw power he conveys on "In the Flesh". Add to that the delicate moments in songs like "Fat Old Sun", "Wish You Were Here", and Gilmour is in rare company indeed.
However, whereas Gilmour communicated passion and raw emotion, Hendrix performed visceral exorcisms. I remember hearing Lenny Kravitz speak in interview of how he often needed to take a nap after listening to "Machine Gun", and I can totally relate. When you hear Hendrix hit some of the notes he hit on the live version from the Fillmoore East performance on New Year's Eve '69, you'll know what I'm talking about. It's as if Hendrix managed to collect and bottle up all of the strife of the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights movement, and he just let it all pour out in a stream of sonic tears. I heard Miles Davis himself loved "Machine Gun" as well. Furthermore, Hendrix had his own delicate moments like "Castles Made of Sand" and the acoustic version of "Hear My Train a Comin'"
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Posted: April 15 2009 at 19:07
I choose Gilmour. From a technical standpoint, Hendrix is probably the winner, but I will base my opinion off of something more important: which guitarist is more engaging. Gilmour's versatility is what really makes Floyd's music compelling. His playing can be straightforward and aggressive, reminiscent of great blues players like BB King (for example, Money) but it can also be mellow and behind the beat, more in the direction of guitarists like Jimmy Page on No Quarter (for example, Shine On You Crazy Diamond). Hendrix's playing was always just good old-fashioned rock and roll. It appeals to my gut, but never to my emotions. He lacked the elegance and the versatility that make Pink Floyd a better band, in my opinion, than The Experience.
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Posted: April 15 2009 at 15:28
I know of one guitarist Miles enjoyed pre-Hendrix: Charlie Christian. Of course Christian played like a horn player since those were the people he listened to. So that seems only natural.
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Posted: April 14 2009 at 05:54
Easy Money wrote:
^ One qoute? Miles went on about Jimi often.
Not Miles quotes directly, this is from my Complete in a Silent Way Sessions booklet:
About the tracks MademoiselleMabry and Frelon Brun. Originally on Filles de Kilimanjaro (1968):
... Ms. Mabry further educated Mils about artists like Sly and the Family Sone and Jimi Hendrix...
... This tribute to Betty also pays homage to "The Wind Cries Mary" ...
...Mademoiselle Mabry an Frelon Brun are watershed tracks. They
exemplify the assimilation and inspiration of Jimi Hendrix and James
Brown in that the rhytmic emphasis emphasis has shifted from a
traditional jazz feel to that of rock and soul...
(Miles was together and deep in love with the younger soulsinger Betty Mabry during this period)
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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