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Topic: Unusual? Posted: October 23 2010 at 07:16 |
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I'm also a huge Folk Prog fan, and seek out and collect albums from this genre. I would also like to add a couple of bands to the above list by SouthSideoftheSky which Textbook might enjoy
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The Morrigan, "Masque" and "Hidden Agenda" Very eclectic band from the UK mainly celtic folk but with plenty of other interesting influences mixed in.
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I am listening to The Morrigan now, pretty good! Thanks for this recommendation! I will probably review all of their albums as well as Collin Masson's solo albums soon.
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 06:27 |
Jethro Tull's Christmas Album, essential listening when hanging up the decorations!
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Posted: October 18 2010 at 20:51 |
Textbook wrote:
Me too actually- I've found his live comedy segments less funnier the older I've gotten, though at one time he cracked me up. That's nothing to do with the music though.
btw I think Ring Out Solstice Bells is my favourite Christmas song ever. |
I quite agree. And I pair Ring Out Solstice Bells with Another Christmas Song for a Tull back-to-back.
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Posted: October 16 2010 at 02:12 |
Lizzy wrote:
Very nice recommendations, cacha! You wouldn't happen to be one of the hosts of the Prog Folk group on last.fm, would you?
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Yes, that's right - well spotted!! All are welcome to visit and join the Last.fm Prog Folk group on Last.fm http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 17:54 |
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Great to see Carmen being mentioned. I really love this band and their Fandangos In Space album is a true masterpiece. Totally unique in sound and approach and great from start to finish.
Through bassist John Glascock, they even have a relation to Jethro Tull so we're even on topic! 
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Bulerias gets stuck in my head every time. 
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On the re-release of The Gypsies and Widescreen, there are notes by Allen in there and he says that the band pretty much fell apart and Ian had already tried to get John to play with them, but he didn't want to break up such a nice band. But Carmen had run its course, lost its manager and felt kinda "dumped", and it was over. You know what is sad about that? ... he has not touched an electric guitar since ... how's that for insane and nutz ... that kind of talent wasted, but it tells you something about the musicianship and its appreciation ... who gives a sh*t about a rock guitar player, but he can get some appreciation and a pat in the back in Spain for his playing ... you can blame the rock press, the studio system and the "fan" fickleness for that ... but John Glascock did help Ian put together a couple of very fine albums ... and when John died, between you and I ... Ian has not been half as good since.
But yeah ... Bullerias ... is all over my head all the time ... awesome work, not only the feet, but the bass and the drums ... tell rock'n'roll to stuff it ... this is fabulous music! And those feet could send drummers to music school anytime, specially that one guy ... that just quit his band ... when the ego is bigger than the feet, the music is over buddy!
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 17:45 |
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| Horslips (Irish band, occasionally similar to Jethro Tull but with a unique sound of their own). Best albums: The Tain, Book Of Invasions: A Celtic SymphonyTempest (US-based, multi-national, proggy Folk Rock band not to be confused with the British Heavy Prog band). Best albums: Turn Of The Wheel (with a certain Keith Emerson guesting on one track!), Balance
Red Jasper (UK band that mixes Folk Rock with Neo-Prog, totally brilliant!). Best albums: A Midsummer Night's Dream (a masterpiece!) , A Winter's TaleCarmen (already mentioned above by others). Best albums: Fandangos In Space (a masterpiece!), Dancing On A Cold Wind Strawbs (needs no comment I guess). Best albums: Hero And Heroine (a masterpiece!), Ghosts Fairport Convention (Prog Related). Best albums: Jewel In The Crown, Full HouseSteeleye Span (Prog Related). Best albums: They Called Her Babylon, Commoner's CrownGrace (Neo-Prog with many Jethro Tull influences). Best albums: Pulling Strings And Shiny Things, The Poet, The Piper And The Fool Legend (Hard edged Neo-Prog with superb female vocals and folky influences). Best albums: Triple Aspect (a masterpiece!), Second Sight Haze (Neo-Prog with folky influences). Best albums: The 30th Anniversary Shows (excellent double live album) Cruachan (Irish Folk Metal band that mixes Celtic Folk with Heavy Metal and on some albums Black Metal - not on PA. Yet!?). Best albums: Folk-Lore (totally brilliant, I gave it 4,5 on Metal Music Archives), PaganKamelot (Prog-Metal). Best albums: The Fourth Legacy (Symphonic Power Metal with some Celtic Folk and World-Music influences, quite good) [/QUOTE]
We could even add Capability Brown to this. VOICE would be their magnus opus.
I don't really find Fairport Convention or Steeleye Span that traditional even if they play traditionals. Their arrangements are always very nice. You want to hear a folk/prog song that was the last Sandy Denny recorded, you should really catch "One Last Chance", which turns into a massive prog jam towards the end, which was probably added to it after she passed away as a tribute to her, but it is magnificent in every way. And if you have not heard "Reynardine" you are missing one of the most beautiful things ever done on a guitar and voice.
Richard Thompson should be here, although some like to think that he fits better everywhere else other than here, but even in the early stuff like Calvary Cross and Night Comes In, that's quite progressive and well done.
Byzantium - Tough one, since their first album is ... pop music? ... but it is longer cuts pop music, and very well done and orchestrated. The second album is on par with Capability Brown.
I would think that Roy Harper and Kevin Ayers are both quite progressive, although Kevin is "simpler" and more song oriented, whereas Roy is almost all poetry oriented and if the music doesn't come with him, too bad! There are some superb things here ... Headquarters, Unknown Soldier, Jugula +4 to mention just a few. But Kevin's album "The Confessions of Dr. Dream" is very progressive.
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 17:02 |
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I've been a hardcore Jethro Tull fan for years. And I mean HARDCORE, I've got all 20 studio albums, the four Anderson solos, two B-side/rarities collections and a few hours of self collected rarities. They're probably my favourite band of all time if I had to call it.
And yet I don't really like prog-folk and listen to virtually nothing else in the genre. I would listen to any other PA sub-genre (with the exception of my bugbear neo-prog) more than I do prog-folk
Is this wierd, to just love ONE band from a genre?
(I suppose this could be a problem not with prog-folk but with a possible misclassification of JT. Fans have noted before that it's odd how JT are almost always described as folk rock when their folk period is really only three albums and that after their commercial heyday.) |
I understand : JT are pretty unique in their genre. And featuring exceptionnqlly skilled musicians and the genius of Ian Anderson.
I don't like that much other prog-folk bands.
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 16:12 |
Very nice recommendations, cacha!  You wouldn't happen to be one of the hosts of the Prog Folk group on last.fm, would you?
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 15:41 |
SouthSideoftheSky wrote:
Hi, cacha71
It would be nice if you could provide links to those bands that are not on PA
Thanks!
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No problem Salem (Canada) : http://lightyear10.tripod.com/salem/ They have released one album. Obscure - not much information available. also http://www.bajaprog.com/salem.htm Stepan Project (Project of Ilie Stepan, bass guitar player of Progresiv TM and Pro Musica, both of which are on this site). There used to be a website, but it seems to have disappeared. I have found some Youtube videos. A Google search reveals some more, but I don't know if the sites are legal so I won't post them. Two albums have been released, Undeva în Europa and Sensul Vieții. These form two albums of a trilogy, and the third is expected but the release date is as yet unknown. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS8kbHqUqnA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAxoqfgI7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3n5l0paww&feature=related You can find two Марфа и Таджики albums here. They can be downloaded free and legally. http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/Artist_%2896%29/fans
Edited by cacha71 - October 15 2010 at 15:46
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 14:52 |
Hi, cacha71
It would be nice if you could provide links to those bands that are not on PA
Thanks!
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 14:31 |
harmonium.ro wrote:
It's understandable, I guess. Did you try Phoenix? They have a heavy Tull influence, mixed with kraut, psyche, rock'n'roll and classic metal.
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I would like to back up this recommendation, I"m hooked on Phoenix at the moment rather like Textbook is hooked on Jethro Tull. I agree that be JT would best be suited to to the eclectic category. They are a very flexible band that has adopted new influences from the music scene in a progressive way. I know quite a few people who although don't really listen to Folk Prog listen to JT a lot and I don't find this particularly unusual due to the eclectic nature of the band. I'm also a huge Folk Prog fan, and seek out and collect albums from this genre. I would also like to add a couple of bands to the above list by SouthSideoftheSky which Textbook might enjoy Smell of Incense (Norwegian band also with strong psychedelic influences) Both albums are good. Sad Minstrel, "Flight of the Phoenix" Some elements of Heavy Prog. Amanita, "L'oblio " Talitha Qumi, Despre Cuvinte. Romanian band, produced one excellent album. Difficult to get hold of, but well worth it. Ougenweide. Personally I like all their albums The Morrigan, "Masque" and "Hidden Agenda" Very eclectic band from the UK mainly celtic folk but with plenty of other interesting influences mixed in. WyrDGeneS. Traditional Northumbrian melodies reworked on synthesizer and electric guitar with quite a heavy feel to it. Aria Palea, "Zoicekardia" Sfinx, "Zalmoxe" Plenty of symphonic Prog in this one. Salem, "Salem" Very Tull-ish, not on this site but ought to be! I could go on, but that's enough - my apologies if it's a bit off topic!
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 14:13 |
BTW, here is a MySpace play list of mine featuring some of those bands I recommended above:
http://www.myspace.com/thebuddyblues/music/playlists/songs-by-some-great-but-overlooked-bands-1340182
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 12:51 |
Textbook wrote:
I've been a hardcore Jethro Tull fan for years. And I mean HARDCORE, I've got all 20 studio albums, the four Anderson solos, two B-side/rarities collections and a few hours of self collected rarities. They're probably my favourite band of all time if I had to call it.
And yet I don't really like prog-folk and listen to virtually nothing else in the genre. I would listen to any other PA sub-genre (with the exception of my bugbear neo-prog) more than I do prog-folk
Is this wierd, to just love ONE band from a genre?
(I suppose this could be a problem not with prog-folk but with a possible misclassification of JT. Fans have noted before that it's odd how JT are almost always described as folk rock when their folk period is really only three albums and that after their commercial heyday.) |
My previous post about there being (at least) two quite different genres within what is here known as 'Prog Folk' (progressive Folk music, on the one hand, and Prog with folky influences, on the other hand) was meant to lead up to the following hypothetical question: If Jethro Tull is the only band in this subgenre that a person likes, maybe he or she haven't heard the right ones? Let me offer some further recommendations that fall on the Prog-with-folky-influences side: Horslips (Irish band, occasionally similar to Jethro Tull but with a unique sound of their own). Best albums: The Tain, Book Of Invasions: A Celtic SymphonyTempest (US-based, multi-national, proggy Folk Rock band not to be confused with the British Heavy Prog band). Best albums: Turn Of The Wheel (with a certain Keith Emerson guesting on one track!), Balance
Red Jasper (UK band that mixes Folk Rock with Neo-Prog, totally brilliant!). Best albums: A Midsummer Night's Dream (a masterpiece!) , A Winter's TaleCarmen (already mentioned above by others). Best albums: Fandangos In Space (a masterpiece!), Dancing On A Cold Wind Strawbs (needs no comment I guess). Best albums: Hero
And Heroine (a masterpiece!), Ghosts Fairport Convention (Prog Related). Best albums: Jewel In
The Crown, Full House
Steeleye Span (Prog Related). Best albums: They Called Her
Babylon, Commoner's Crown
Grace (Neo-Prog with many Jethro Tull influences). Best albums: Pulling Strings And Shiny Things, The Poet, The Piper And The Fool Legend (Hard edged Neo-Prog with superb female vocals and folky influences). Best albums: Triple Aspect (a masterpiece!), Second Sight Haze (Neo-Prog with folky influences). Best albums: The 30th Anniversary Shows (excellent double live album) Cruachan (Irish Folk Metal band that mixes Celtic Folk with Heavy Metal and on some albums Black Metal - not on PA. Yet!?). Best albums: Folk-Lore (totally brilliant, I gave it 4,5 on Metal Music Archives), PaganKamelot (Prog-Metal). Best albums: The Fourth Legacy (Symphonic Power Metal with some Celtic Folk and World-Music influences, quite good)
Edited by SouthSideoftheSky - October 15 2010 at 13:04
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Posted: October 15 2010 at 12:06 |
Great to see Carmen being mentioned. I really love this band and their Fandangos In Space album is a true masterpiece. Totally unique in sound and approach and great from start to finish. Through bassist John Glascock, they even have a relation to Jethro Tull so we're even on topic!
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Posted: October 14 2010 at 10:33 |
Textbook wrote:
I've been a hardcore Jethro Tull fan for years. And I mean HARDCORE, I've got all 20 studio albums, the four Anderson solos, two B-side/rarities collections and a few hours of self collected rarities. They're probably my favourite band of all time if I had to call it.
And yet I don't really like prog-folk and listen to virtually nothing else in the genre. I would listen to any other PA sub-genre (with the exception of my bugbear neo-prog) more than I do prog-folk
Is this wierd, to just love ONE band from a genre? |
Nope. I also love Tull (though I can't listen to Under Wraps in this day and age), but I listen to little of anything else that is even marginally folksy. Except I do like Renaissance and "Renaissance-y" stuff like some Blackmore's Rainbow, Mellow Candle, etc.
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 18:48 |
They have to be put in some genre of Prog. At the beginning they could have be classified as Blues Prog if such a catagory existed.
I'm glad you like Underwraps, which could be considered New Wave Prog.
When JT won the Grammy for best Heavy Metal recording, their recording was just as heavy as any tradional HM band like Thin Lizzy or Led Zepplin released
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:35 |
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I like this idea of delineating between folk prog and prog folk. I've stumbled across some pretty heavy bands on PA that are listed as prog folk (Carmen being the most recent addition), and I tend to like these; however, the alternative (which seems to often manifest as strumming a guitar and singing about Gandalf or pirates or both), doesn't exactly float my boat. And yes, that is intended as a comical misrepresentation of proggy folk. I'm sure there's lots of excellent stuff out there, it just isn't for me.
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Kinda strange to see CARMEN listed as that ... but I suppose that is closer to it than anything else ... if we "unplug" it, all you have is a spanish guitar with bass, drums and keyboards. And it would be on par with a lot of the Spanish Classic Guitar music ... the only issue being ... in all my days in Portugal, next to Spain, I never heard that music called "folk" ... and much of it is over 700 to 800 years old and predates a lot of European history, going back to the Moors, even before the so-called "European history" that tends to start with Charlesmagne, after 900 years of wiped history by ...
Any way ... I suppose it would be folk ... and there is enough in it that is quite folksy ... but the combination of a rock guitar with the spanigh guitar licks are amazing, and not something that we're going to see very often. There are a couple of metal thrashers out there that do a pretty good imitation, but in general they are just playing around a chord and not doing a whole lot with it at all, at least like CARMEN did.
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 20:17 |
Not unusual at all, especially for the prog folk genre. I love Tull to, but the only other prog folk group I've really taken to is Gryphon-- and they're not even Tull-esque, more baroque prog
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 18:15 |
Tull are one of those weird, impossible to put into words, "always different, always the same" bands.
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