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    Posted: February 13 2011 at 10:57
Well I must admit that Kanye West is generally OK, (at least compared to other rappers/hip-hopers well known in public as in the MTV. His music is a bit different by my standards, and his new albums seems nice, (I watched Runaway video clip, at least the clip was great, very aestetique.) 
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Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Actually what I would like to know is: Regardless of wheter you like Kanye or not, do you guys consider this album to be even among the top 10 releases of 2010? I do not.


No. I really love "All of the Lights" and "Lost in the World," but a lot of the stuff in the middle is just...meh.
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Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Actually what I would like to know is: Regardless of wheter you like Kanye or not, do you guys consider this album to be even among the top 10 releases of 2010? I do not.


No.

I consider Katy Perry's Teenage Dream to be among the top 10 of the year.

Kanye has been close to my top 10 before, but just not with this particular album.


Yep, we really are in the opposite sides of the spectrum. Here is the best album of 2010 in my humble, subjective and personal opinion:

 

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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Actually what I would like to know is: Regardless of wheter you like Kanye or not, do you guys consider this album to be even among the top 10 releases of 2010? I do not.


No.

I consider Katy Perry's Teenage Dream to be among the top 10 of the year.

Kanye has been close to my top 10 before, but just not with this particular album.


Yep, we really are in the opposite sides of the spectrum. Here is the best album of 2010 in my humble, subjective and personal opinion:

 

For the Ghosts Within - Wyatt, Atzmon & Stephen
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Never mind that. Album of the millenium. Such a talented man.
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Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

Actually what I would like to know is: Regardless of wheter you like Kanye or not, do you guys consider this album to be even among the top 10 releases of 2010? I do not.


No.

I consider Katy Perry's Teenage Dream to be among the top 10 of the year.

Kanye has been close to my top 10 before, but just not with this particular album.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Baby Snakes Baby Snakes wrote:

Although music has its subjective tendencies does not mean it should not be held up to a standard, in my humble opinion.  Subjective as it may be, if we were to throw out such notions then why don't we just have five year olds banging on xylophones make the top of all the charts?

Because people don't like 5 year old orchestras. What's your point? Somebody did record an album of free improvising children (The Tangerine Awkestra, I am 90% certain everything surrounding it is a joke) and it takes a very special kind of person to enjoy that. 


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Though I don't claim to know the subtleties of hip-hop, I've listened to a little bit, and wondering what it is about this particular album that makes it special? The Kanye I found on youtube was catchy but typical.
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Actually what I would like to know is: Regardless of wheter you like Kanye or not, do you guys consider this album to be even among the top 10 releases of 2010? I do not.
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I'm sure Jon Anderson of mighty Yes does much less than West... He just sits around, comes up with extremely idiotic lyrics, and "sings"... Yet the rigid vision of Mr. Overmatik (overly-problematic?) is "Prog = good, rap = bad, water = good, fire = bad. Quite neandertalish... 

Well I never! he did play pretty much every instrument on his first solo album, you know

The new album is good, probably 3/5 or 4/5 from me if I had to choose. I still prefer 808s & Heartbreak.
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Originally posted by Baby Snakes Baby Snakes wrote:

Although music has its subjective tendencies does not mean it should not be held up to a standard, in my humble opinion.  Subjective as it may be, if we were to throw out such notions then why don't we just have five year olds banging on xylophones make the top of all the charts?

Because people don't like 5 year old orchestras. What's your point? Somebody did record an album of free improvising children (The Tangerine Awkestra, I am 90% certain everything surrounding it is a joke) and it takes a very special kind of person to enjoy that. 
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Originally posted by Baby Snakes Baby Snakes wrote:

Although music has its subjective tendencies does not mean it should not be held up to a standard, in my humble opinion.  Subjective as it may be, if we were to throw out such notions then why don't we just have five year olds banging on xylophones make the top of all the charts?


In the end all this has to do with relativism. I don't believe in it, and I feel free to judge what I think has value from what have not. But in no way will I try to force into people my own personal tastes. That is why I'm an atheist, after all.
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Although music has its subjective tendencies does not mean it should not be held up to a standard, in my humble opinion.  Subjective as it may be, if we were to throw out such notions then why don't we just have five year olds banging on xylophones make the top of all the charts?

That's not to say that's what I think Kanye West does.  I don't think he's near the bottom of the list when it comes to rappers.  I'd put it at average from what rap I do enjoy, but my point is if subjectivity alone dictates the musical standard, what is the point of elevating anything as better than anything else?  Why not just listen to the house creak if it's not any better musically?

As for sampling, like all things done well, it's about execution.  Some people can do amazing things with samples brought from other peoples' music.  They still have to control melodies, harmonies, timings, and syncopations to make a worthwhile song out of it.
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Your sentence pretty clearly indicates a shift from a subjective statement to one which me should all agree with, but whatever brosive. 
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

As long as is pleasant to the ear of the listener is music. I'm not trying to impose subjective views upon anyone, anyone uses their time as they please. Another completely different thing is to put Mr. Kanye West in the same level as serious musicians working hard to produce art.


Lol you just tell us you're not trying to push your judgments on us --- AS LONG as we accept your judgment that Kanye West is inherently inferior to other musicians, who you say work much harder than him, based on absolutely no information.

Oh that's great.

Again, in my opinion, which I thought was implied, Kanye West is worthless. If you can see value in his music it is ok, don't worry. Geez, this is a forum right? Everything here are personal opinions.
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I'm sure Jon Anderson of mighty Yes does much less than West... He just sits around, comes up with extremely idiotic lyrics, and "sings"... Yet the rigid vision of Mr. Overmatik (overly-problematic?) is "Prog = good, rap = bad, water = good, fire = bad. Quite neandertalish... 
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Also, as always, checking out DJ Shadow's album Endtroducing........ should be required before discussing sampling. It should be a rule somewhere.

You should listen anyway because it's a great album. Tongue
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Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

As long as is pleasant to the ear of the listener is music. I'm not trying to impose subjective views upon anyone, anyone uses their time as they please. Another completely different thing is to put Mr. Kanye West in the same level as serious musicians working hard to produce art.


Lol you just tell us you're not trying to push your judgments on us --- AS LONG as we accept your judgment that Kanye West is inherently inferior to other musicians, who you say work much harder than him, based on absolutely no information.

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Originally posted by overmatik overmatik wrote:

completely different thing is to put Mr. Kanye West in the same level as serious musicians working hard to produce art.
 
I'm not sure if you're aware what he does. His songs often use samples, but they're not only sampled. His job is equally to tie together 10 or more samples into a coherent whole, and add some of his own melodies, beats and composition to make it more cohesive. Then rap on top of it. The organizational and production approach is no easy task. Having a rigid definition of art like you apparently do can get you into trouble.
 
Also, as always, checking out DJ Shadow's album Endtroducing........ should be required before discussing sampling. It should be a rule somewhere.
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this album (also from 2010) is also a progressive rap album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Lucious_Left_Foot:_The_Son_of_Chico_Dusty
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