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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Yeah - God forbid a prog band should sell any singles and go, like, on a complete breadhead trip... You seem to forget that even prog bands sold singles in their attempts to sell out;
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tuxon ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 21 2004 Location: plugged-in Status: Offline Points: 5502 |
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We've been through this discussion numerous times. see also Queen II. Where I stand is simple, Some of these bands are included, others aren't. I don't really care whether they are included or not, but if they are included
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The Hemulen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Amen to that, Lucas. |
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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At least 4 prog sites mention QUEEN in their archives !!!! |
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maani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Founding Moderator Joined: January 30 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2632 |
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Speaking personally (not "officially"), I competely disagree. First, I do not consider either Queen I or Queen II "prog" in any way, shape or form. They are rock albums with some interesting quasi-prog elements, but they are not prog - certainly not as whole albums. As for Sheer Heart Attack, some songs have some "prog sensibilities," but the album as a whole is definitely not prog: it is rock. Re Night at the Opera, I would agree that perhaps Prophet's Song and Bohemian Rhapsody border true "prog." But, again, the album as a whole is not prog. Same goes for Day at the Races, which has a couple of "proggy" tracks, but is not, by any means, a "prog album." Nothing after that was even closely "prog." Peace.
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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That one isn't - but neither is "Owner of a Lonely Heart". "The Prophet's Song", as has been observed, is pure symphonic prog with touches of Queen "magic" (and no synths!). BTW, like "Money", Paranoid Android is partly in 7/4 time - and the "Rain Down" coda is not unlike the symphonic prog of Barclay James Harvest, replete with 4-part harmonies and counter-calls. It's a prog track for the 1990s and beyond alright! Edited by Certif1ed |
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Guillermo ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
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Yes. Queen should be included in this website. But I lost in the ELO poll I posted two months ago... |
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Innuendo!!!! You going slightly mad. |
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Vince ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: March 24 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 95 |
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I agree that Queen should be featured here, like many of you. I always felt that Queen was a style on its own, a little bit like Pink Floyd. And I also think that Queen was one of the most influencial rock bands. |
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salmacis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Content Addition Joined: April 10 2005 Status: Offline Points: 3928 |
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I couldn't agree more with the points raised here; Queen are a FANTASTIC band that have progressive tendencies all over their work- 'Queen II' is their proggiest album, as mentioned, and in my opinion, one of the greatest albums ever made. Just listen to 'Ogre Battle' or 'March Of The Black Queen' to see how heavy and proggy they got. Even the hit single 'Seven Seas Of Rhye' is a magnificently overblown 3 minutes... 'A Night At The Opera' is wildly ambitious; almost a compendium of popular music in the 20th century with dancehall music, jazz pop, heavy rock, 60s pop tunes and mega pomp-prog (check out 'The Prophet's Song'). 'Innuendo' is a magnificent track, and for prog fiends, has Steve Howe on 'wandering minstrel guitar' playing an excellent flamenco section- it also has an instrumental mid section to die for and Freddie Mercury delivers an astonishing vocal. Sure- nothing the band did in the '80s was prog in the slightest, but you could say the same about Genesis or Yes inb the main. I'd love to see the band represented here and would gladly write the biography for their entry.
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O God lets all commercial shall we.Commercialism was one of the things that helped destroy prog in the first place. Yeh to the first 3 queen albums but i'm afraid Edited by Karnevil9 |
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Dan Bobrowski ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
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The Prophet Song gets included in every Prog Compilation I've made. Queen II was seriously drenched in progressive tendencies and a great defining statement. I still say, "What's the problem adding ONLY those albums by a band that ARE prog?" Do we have to add their entire output? I think, "NO" would be the correct answer to that. How many bands have been influenced by Freddie and the band? I've heard plenty of prog that has strong ties to Queen... Relayer, IZZ, Salem Hill, Kaipa, Ritual... The Queen stamp is all over them. |
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James Lee ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 05 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3525 |
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it's hard to find a band that put more Symphonic into their Rock than they did. then again, ELO did too...but that's another touchy topic. |
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John Gargo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 26 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 450 |
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Queen are one of the greatest bands ever.... even when they went commercial in the 80s, there were still creating high quality music that completely trumps everything else that was mainstream. INNUENDO, their last album, has some fantastic proggish flourishes, which means they've done something that Genesis hasn't... they've gone back to their roots. Fantastic band... I think it's a travesty that they're not on here. |
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Bohemian Rhapsody is a fantastic track - just overplayed! I like all of Queen's output, and consider the 1st 5 albums to be pretty much pure prog, albeit coming from a glam rock type of angle. Innuendo is back in character, but all their albums have something progressive going on. I can understand why they wouldn't be contenders for the archives - but to say that they're more prog than Radiohead is ignorance. Queen never came out with anything near the progressiveness of "Kid A" or "Amnesiac", both of which have more in common with Can than almost anything else. On the other hand, if the only objection is output ratio, then don't forget that Genesis have spent less of their time producing prog than pop/rock music. Edited by Certif1ed |
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Queen arn't prog I can accept their Debut,'Queen 11' & 'Sheer heart attack' albums as great albums with acceptable progggy type material,'A night at the opera'album, has some great tracks but the album is then totally destroyed by the tragic 'Bohemian Rhapsody' track...O god do i hate that track.After this album Queen are pants Edited by Karnevil9 |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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Fat bottomed girls make the world go round very prog... |
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The Hemulen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
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I think the sheer theatricality of Queen's output is reason alone for their inclusion. Also, the diversity of styles they draw from make another good argument for their case. I challenge anyone to listen to A Night at the Opera and not agree that it's one of the finest art rock albums of all time.
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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Yes, but Radiohead's inclusion, IMHO is a MISTAKE. I don't think Queen is prog. It's just radio-friendly classic rock with a prog edge, just like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple.
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bumheed7 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 134 |
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totally agree. i feel they are more prog than radiohead, anyway |
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