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    Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:13

Why do people think that they have to punish the Flower Kings for releasing double albums? Flower Power, Stardust We Are, Unfold the Future ... it seems to me that people automatically cry "filler!" and give the albums one star less.

Come on ... these albums don't cost twice as much as normal albums ... part of what they put on those discs can be called a "bonus" ... how can you rate a band less for giving you more music?
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Points: 389 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:28

I am not very impressed by The Flower Kings ( have Retropolis), but you have a point with the double albums. Creating a double album is doubling the critics.

A reviewer should imagin the double album as one album. Probably the rates would go up.

 
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I didn't like Retropolis when I first "met" the Flower Kings ... but now that I'm familiar with more 70s/80s prog, I like it VERY much.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:34

I agree with you Mike.I applaud TFK prodigious and prolific output.And I find very little "filler" on their albums,but that might be because I am a fan.

In their lifespan TFK has released more quality music than some established prog acts released in 20-30 years.


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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:35

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I didn't like Retropolis when I first "met" the Flower Kings ... but now that I'm familiar with more 70s/80s prog, I like it VERY much.

Retropolis was my very first exposure to TFK.I happen to think it's a great album,and it really sparked my interest in the band.


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Points: 21884 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:39
I'm listening to the song "Retropolis" right now ... wow, I hadn't really noticed the Zappaesque elements before. They're very aparent here ... Zappa meet's Neo-Prog - meet's authentic 70s.
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Personally, I feel some of TFK's albums would be better if they were more focused. It's not about value for money, it's about tracks sounding bloated by rambling instrumentals which don't go anywhere.

I don't mean that as a general comment about TFK, I do like their music. I just feel sometimes less would be more.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:43

Besides his work with The Flower Kings,if you throw in his work with Transatlantic,his solo work,The Tangent,Kaipa,and all the numerous appearances and contributions he has made on other albums Roine Stolt is one of the most prolific musicians/songwriters in prog right now.


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Points: 3830 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 14:54
I love how people say the Flower Kings don't know how to edit themselves.  Generally, there's a TON of material that doesn't make the final cut...  and yes, that includes the stuffed-full double discs.  They're not an "instant gratification" band...  generally, the so-called filler serves a purpose.  I can't think of a single wasted note on *any* of the double albums.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 15:21
Ah well i think when you release 3 albums each year or sumthing you cant avoid filler stuff...
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Points: 21884 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 15:31
^ The Flower Kings don't release more than 1 album each year.
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Points: 17123 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2005 at 17:28

^ I think Iron Maiden has far more "filler" Than TFK. Every single note on those albums serves a purpose, I just can't imagine an album like Unfold the Future one note shorter at all

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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 05:56

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ The Flower Kings don't release more than 1 album each year.

a bit exagerating but double albums i rate as two albums AND roine stolt is also on alot of solo projects
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

^ I think Iron Maiden has far more "filler" Than TFK. Every single note on those albums serves a purpose, I just can't imagine an album like Unfold the Future one note shorter at all

well every note on FRANCES THE MUTE serves a purpose and yet there are people that think it is just mindless noise ...and if i critizise some band someone always go naggin on maiden...im getting a bit tired of that. 
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Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

and if i critizise some band someone always go naggin on maiden...im getting a bit tired of that. 


Well you have to admit that with your user name, that's always going to happen.
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Points: 21884 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 06:21

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

and if i critizise some band someone always go naggin on maiden...im getting a bit tired of that. 


Well you have to admit that with your user name, that's always going to happen.

Yes, that might have sometihng to do with it.

But he can counterbalance it with his avatar and signature.
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Points: 3254 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 06:22

Originally posted by Citanul Citanul wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

and if i critizise some band someone always go naggin on maiden...im getting a bit tired of that. 


Well you have to admit that with your user name, that's always going to happen.

its a bit childish...if i see someone that has a rush album or whatever in its signature or avatar then i dont go bashing on rush...its like AH if i critizise your favorite band then im going to critizise yours
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Points: 389 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 06:26

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I'm listening to the song "Retropolis" right now ... wow, I hadn't really noticed the Zappaesque elements before. They're very aparent here ... Zappa meet's Neo-Prog - meet's authentic 70s.

Retropolis is not bad, but the "hit" songs like "There is more to this World" or "Judas Kiss" are a bit too simple for me. Forgive me the word, I like the guitar work, the keyboards and even the voice, but the songs miss a certain emotion and strange movements.

That applies the same for the songs I have heard from Transatlantic. They are OK, but very occasionally I choose to listen to them or the Flower Kings.

I am not so familiar with Zappa, so I cannot make a proper judgement. My feeling is however too much credit for the Kings.

 
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Points: 21884 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 06:38
^ Under: If the Flower Kings are too "simple" for you, then you should DEFINITELY check out Zappa. I recommend his live albums as an introduction ... either You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore 2 or Best Band you Never Heard In Your Live.
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Points: 389 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2005 at 07:00

Thanks for the tip.

I should check out Zappa. Frankly I have no idea what I can expect from him. So an open starter on his music.

 
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