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MikeEnRegalia 
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 Posted: May 18 2007 at 15:59 |
 Frank Zoppa wrote:
Many??
I brought up a valid point about copyright theft.
Is copyright theft not a serious illegal issue?
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1. "copyright theft" makes no sense ... nobody would want to steal copyright.  2. Even if the phrase made sense it would hardly be an illegal issue ...
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 18 2007 at 16:01
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Frank Zoppa
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:01 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Frank Zoppa wrote:
As for doubting the seriousness of ignoring traffic lights. I knew a young mother who lost her daughter through someone else believing the traffic light law was worth disregarding.
Remember I was talking about pedestrians and cyclists. Like ignoring traffic lights, image theft can have much further reaching consequences. You can go through lights and just drive away, or go through lights and hit a child. You are breaking the same law regardless.
Your main purpose seems to be to make me look bad ... at the risk of making a fool of yourself, as this is getting beyond ridiculous. So stealing an image and using in your own personal comment can be using an album cover as an avatar in a prog forum or using a rogues gallery photo in a bad taste forum are both identical crimes. The same law is broken and in both cases the thief is breaking the same law..
It's different laws actually ... but since you're the king of generalization, you simply don't care. The only differnce is that the rogues gallery picture taker is only stealing a quick snapshot, the album cover taker is stealing what might have took a graphic design team 6 months hard work.Which they gave to the recording artist to promote the album, which is exactly what I'm doing too. I would never use parts of album covers in the design of my website ... there's a big difference between quoting/citing something and using it for your own purposes. |
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I'm not making you look bad.
You are doing fine on your own.
I'm just putting your own argument back at you fo rthe theft of a copyright item.
Dress it up any way you want. Image theft is illegal, whether you decide it is or it isn't.
But there again you don't make the laws....do you?
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NutterAlert
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:02 |
^spellcheckers are available on this forum 
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:06 |
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Just curious FZ...are you an artist?
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:13 |
Frank Zoppa wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
One thing FZ.......getting into a war of words with Cert is fruitless.He will eat you for breakfast,the man knows his stuff.
Don't say I didn't warn ya...... |
Yes I quoted some of his own stuff back at him and he has failed to justify it.
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It's all justified perfectly - I can't see your problem with any of "my stuff".
Pass the milk and sugar, someone 
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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The Miracle
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 16:52 |
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I think that as long as usage of something doesn't hurt its creator, it's fine... when you download music you steal the artist's money, but when you use an avatar you only promote it(I bought several CD's because I saw them on people's avatars and looked up the band)
Where do you draw the line anyway? Take my avatar for example: it uses Gojira's cover art animated by me, so who's is it, mine or theirs?
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Frank Zoppa
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:25 |
The Miracle wrote:
I think that as long as usage of something doesn't hurt its creator, it's fine... when you download music you steal the artist's money, but when you use an avatar you only promote it(I bought several CD's because I saw them on people's avatars and looked up the band)Where do you draw the line anyway? Take my avatar for example: it uses Gojira's cover art animated by me, so who's is it, mine or theirs?
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You, do not draw the line. The line has already been drawn.
You either obey the law or break it.
If I used Gojira's cover art as an avatar on a racist forum or porn forum would that be acceptable without permission? I think not.
That's why laws are there in the first place. Thats why permission to use others artwork is essential.
Would you like your artwork associated with racism? Even if you did you can't speak for all the other musicians, artists and designers who have their work pilfered and displayed as avatars expressing what could be deemed as controversial or illegal views
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Tony R
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:31 |
Did you fly to Scotland in your Spacecraft FZ?
....fly back please...
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Frank Zoppa
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:35 |
Tony R wrote:
Did you fly to Scotland in your Spacecraft FZ?
....fly back please... |
If you find a moderator who can correctly map my IP you will find I'm not in Scotland..
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Tony R
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:37 |
but you admit the Spacecraft bit, do you...
Edited by Tony R - May 18 2007 at 18:38
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Frank Zoppa
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:38 |
Tony R wrote:
but you admit the Spacecraft bit, do you... |
As long as you don't think i'm ELO
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yface1
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:38 |
Why Scotland... we're packed with relatively normal people such as myself... Anyway, I'm sure he got here on his rocket-car like I did the other day.
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My entertainment dollar is burning in my pocket!
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Tony R
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:39 |
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Frank Zoppa
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:41 |
yface1 wrote:
Why Scotland... we're packed with relatively normal people such as myself... Anyway, I'm sure he got here on his rocket-car like I did the other day.
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Hey, I heard you were me today...
Hello me
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yface1
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 18:42 |
 ->  ->  ->  I like it! Anyways... do continue debating this on topic. I'll refrain from posting anything massive... ... ...for now.
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My entertainment dollar is burning in my pocket!
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 18 2007 at 19:55 |
Closed,and will not be re-opened because of an issue with the topic creator,not because of the discussion.
Edited by TheProgtologist - May 18 2007 at 19:57
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