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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 02:54 |
Easy Money wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"
2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti
3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto
4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"
5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").
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Turangaglia Symphonie stands on its own as one odd piece of music and has some similarities to more adventurous progressive bands. It uses the Ondes Martenot, an early electronic keyboard that often sounds like something from an early science fiction movie, but more sophisticated than a theremin.
It is one of those pieces that sounds "modern" in any era, sort of like those 60s synth lounge records only less kitschy. |
I've often heard proggers quoting Dvorak's Cello Concerto as the first piece of Prog (note, not Prog Rock!) ever - but personally, I think that honour goes to Beethoven's 6th Symphony, with the 5th being a kind of Proto-Prog 
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 01:19 |
He called it furniture music. Big influence on the creation of ambient music.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:57 |
well of course his classic 'Gymnopedies' series is famous and very beautiful.. but you can't really go wrong with Satie, though the pieces may get a bit repetitive.. remember it was mostly written as salon music, to be in the background.. kind of early ambient
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sean
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:42 |
Atavachron wrote:
pretty much anything by these 20th century rebels; Honegger, Ives, Prokofiev, Barber, as well as earlier composers like Satie, Faure and Brahms
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i still haven't listened to satie, although i greatly desire to ever since someone told me a piano piece i had composed reminded them of me. what would say is a good starting place for satie?
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:12 |
pretty much anything by these 20th century rebels; Honegger, Ives, Prokofiev, Barber, as well as earlier composers like Satie, Faure and Brahms
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sean
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 00:01 |
BaldJean wrote:
no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.
another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.
last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)
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As you mentioned Schumann, his piece "Erlkonig",based on the poem by Goethe is one i find very enjoyable. Also, if you are to look into Robert Schumann, i recommend looking into some of his wife Clara's work. She too was an excellent pianist, perhaps even better than her husband.
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 23:10 |
I recently saw the movie "Copying Beethoven" and I think the 9th symphony of Beethoven is one of the greatest I ever heard...Great movie btw!
Next to that, Chopin's 1th and 2nd piano concert are absolutely fabulous. I have the performance of Maria Joao Pires and the Orchestre National de l'Opera de Monte Carlo on Erato, and I love it...
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sircosick
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 19:40 |
BaldJean wrote:
no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.
another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.
last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)
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My bad....... I forgot Mahler. Kindertotenlieder is a masterpiece too
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Hirgwath
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 19:31 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass. Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists. |
Glass's "Pruitt Igoe" is one of my favorite classical pieces ever. I need to see Koyaanisqatsi.
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Skwisgaar Skwigelf: taller than a tree.
Toki Wartooth: not a bumblebee.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:48 |
And if you want go past the decomposing composers, there's Steve Reich and Philip Glass. Though they'd probably not be considered classical by classical music purists.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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BaldJean
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:43 |
no-one mentioned Gustav Mahler so far, so I will: his symphonies (especially the 9th), his "Kindertotenlieder", his "Lied von der Erde", the "Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen"; all of these are highly recommended.
another one that hasn't been mentioned: Robert Schumann. here I recommend his symphonies (especially his 3rd, the "Rheinische"), his "Dichterliebe" (a song cycle based on the lyrics of German poet Heinrich Heine), his a-minor piano concerto and "Manfred", a melodram based on the lyrics of Lord Byron. and since I am just listening to them on the radio: his 3 romances for clarinet and piano.
last but not least: Franz Schubert. here I recommend "Die Winterreise", a song cycle (try to get the version with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau singing), his trout quintet, the string quartet Nr. 14 ("Death and the Maiden"), "Die schöne Müllerin" (another song cycle), his "unfinished" symphony in B-minor and his C-Major symphony (by today's usual way of counting his 8th; there was and is a bit of confusion and complication about counting his symphonies) and his many, many Lieder (over 600)
Edited by BaldJean - October 10 2007 at 19:26
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 18:17 |
Dick Heath wrote:
fuxi wrote:
If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok. If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN... |
Checking out the liner notes of the first two East Of Eden albums last night and noted one tune was annotated: "Based on a Bartok string quartet". I've heard the connection between Bartok and KC made a number of times. So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start? |
Just buzzed through some Bartok looking for the Crimson parts, I have been curious about this too as Fripp said his aim was to mix Chuck Berry with Bartok.
The 5th movement of quartet number 4 sounds like Fripp himself. The 4th and 2nd movements are close too.
Also 3rd movement of the 6th quartet
2nd movement of No 2.
Some of the other records have less clear track divisions but I would say opening and closing of number 5 and apprx. 2nd movement No 3.
Edited by Easy Money - October 10 2007 at 18:45
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:43 |
Certif1ed wrote:
1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"
2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti
3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto
4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"
5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").
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Turangaglia Symphonie stands on its own as one odd piece of music and has some similarities to more adventurous progressive bands. It uses the Ondes Martenot, an early electronic keyboard that often sounds like something from an early science fiction movie, but more sophisticated than a theremin.
It is one of those pieces that sounds "modern" in any era, sort of like those 60s synth lounge records only less kitschy.
Edited by Easy Money - October 10 2007 at 17:45
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sircosick
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 17:39 |
Bach's Magnificat. Haendel's Messiah. Mozart's Requiem. These are my top 3 of classic music. Check 'em!
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paolo.beenees
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:38 |
There's plenty of good classical music... where should I start from? I'll try to suggest something:
- Renaissance Polyphony is amazing: Palestrina and Despres are my favourite ones.
- Monteverdi's "Magnificat" and "Arianna's Lament"
- Baroque classical music is astounding: Vivaldi (besides his Four Seasons, try some religious music, like for instance the impressive "Nullo Mundo Pax Sincera"), Marcello, Corelli, Pachelbel (his canon is one of the most moving pieces in classical music), Purcell (his "Ode on St. Cecilia's Day" is simply wonderful)
- Bach is something completely different, my favourite one. Just listen how he could turn mathematics into trascendental music in his "Organ Variations on the Choral Von Himmel Hoch Da Komm'Ich Her"; I also go crazy for his "Goldberg Variations" (any version goes)
- Honestly, and there's no reason why, I'm not so fond of piano. But Ravel's piano concertos are really fundamental
- Stravinskij is a genius. Not only for the "Firebird" and the "Sacre du Printemps"; his "Les Noces" (I don't know if in English they are translated as "The Wedding") are really worth the while
- Contemporary classic is challenging, but also extremely rewarding. Try with Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna", Nono's "Il Canto Sospeso" and Stockhausen's "Kontakte".
...ok, let me add Mozart's "Zauberflote"
Edited by paolo.beenees - October 10 2007 at 16:39
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Easy Money
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:12 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I am not an expert in classical music, but I've heard my fair share of it, and even been to a few concerts in my lifetime. Personal favourites of mine would be Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherazade", Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" and "Pictures of an Exhibition", Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), Grieg's "Peer Gynt", assorted pieces by Sibelius... All music that has influenced prog to some degree or the other, and has often been cited in prog compositions.
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When it comes to progressive rock I think those Russian composers listed above are a good way to go (Grieg is Norwegian and Seibelius is Finnish, but they fit well with the Russians) You might want to try some French music also Ravel, Satie, Debussy, Poulenc and later Stravinsky (yeah he became French, go figure).
I think I should add that the Russian composers are all about power and strong melodies while the French are a bit more laid back and subtle.
Edited by Easy Money - October 10 2007 at 17:35
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:07 |
proger wrote:
I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
(sorrey about the mistakes...) |
Symphonies like "Mercury" by Haydn?
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 16:06 |
1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"
2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti
3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto
4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"
5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").
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proger
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 14:38 |
I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
(sorrey about the mistakes...)
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 13:25 |
glass house wrote:
Four Seasons by Vivaldi. Peer Gynt by Grieg.
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Agree.
Bach's Organ&Harpsichord works are also great (of what i've heard)
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