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Points: 20943 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 15:10
^^interesting theories, one and all...many thanks for your contribution...
 
I still might suggest to Andy Blacksword however, that it would have been a good idea for some of the Bracknell Chavs, Hoodies and Asbos to have gone to Sunday School....LOL


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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

My question to you is...what is it about Christianity that is able to bring about such social order? Why does it take a sincere belief  in an imaginary spirit to make teenagers comparatively so well behaved?
Fear of retribution.  Shocked
Sincere belief in a religion provides the one thing missing in today's society: fear of punishment if you mis behave.  It's as simple as that.


I think the steam driven one has a point; there's also the factor that Christian parents tend to have a strong sense of family. This is not exclusive to those who bother God, but you find those who value family as a unit (be they a religious or secular family) spend more time with their children (as opposed to just allowing them to run riot) & instil a modicum of courtesy an respect (another 2 things sadly missing from a majority of society)

I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head there, Mr Garten - the breakdown of the traditional family and it's values.
I've spent many nights in YHs around Europe when I was younger and never trashed one of them - not even when the staff raided our room at 3am one day to chuck out someone who was staying there illegally.
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Points: 2689 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 16:12
Evening one and all, what's new among the Greys?


New among me is that my band's going to be recording another album, a double this time
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Points: 2696 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 16:13
cool! A double eh? big undertaking!
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Points: 2689 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 16:22
Not for us - We're improvisers.  All first-take stuff.  If it weren't for breaks and playbacks we could record an hour of music in less than 90 minutes.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 16:30
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Addendum: I have been on www.friendsreunited.co.uk many times in the past to see what old school acquaintances are up to.  Some of the A* English students (one who went to Oxbridge, I believe) even used shorthand text-style speech on there.  It really annoyed me.
I love lurking around friendsreunited, but shy away from direct contact - all my classmates seem to have become teachers or Civil Servants (though top marks go the the guy who spent the past 18 years coaching women's soccer at various Universities around the USA)
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Points: 20943 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 22 2008 at 16:42
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top marks go the the guy who spent the past 18 years coaching women's soccer at various Universities around the USA
 
no, he SAYS that's what he been doing...in reality, he's been cleaning out the Central London sewers...Dead
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Originally posted by darqDean darqDean wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Addendum: I have been on www.friendsreunited.co.uk many times in the past to see what old school acquaintances are up to.  Some of the A* English students (one who went to Oxbridge, I believe) even used shorthand text-style speech on there.  It really annoyed me.
I love lurking around friendsreunited, but shy away from direct contact - all my classmates seem to have become teachers or Civil Servants (though top marks go the the guy who spent the past 18 years coaching women's soccer at various Universities around the USA)


I've got an account on there, but I cannot justify the £5 to actually correspond with people, so I just lurk too.

Someone (a girl too, strangely!), did message me about remembering me, but as I cannot reply back, she'll probably think I've ignored her.

I have supplied an e-mail address, so if she's that desperate to know I'm not doing anything exciting with my life, she can e-mail me.
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I think it's proof that brainwashing works. Stern%20Smile
 
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

My question to you is...what is it about Christianity that is able to bring about such social order? Why does it take a sincere belief  in an imaginary spirit to make teenagers comparatively so well behaved?
Fear of retribution.  Shocked
Sincere belief in a religion provides the one thing missing in today's society: fear of punishment if you mis behave.  It's as simple as that.


I think the steam driven one has a point; there's also the factor that Christian parents tend to have a strong sense of family. This is not exclusive to those who bother God, but you find those who value family as a unit (be they a religious or secular family) spend more time with their children (as opposed to just allowing them to run riot) & instil a modicum of courtesy an respect (another 2 things sadly missing from a majority of society)

I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head there, Mr Garten - the breakdown of the traditional family and it's values.
I've spent many nights in YHs around Europe when I was younger and never trashed one of them - not even when the staff raided our room at 3am one day to chuck out someone who was staying there illegally.
 
Tis true.  However family values come back to fear of retribution (all be it the displeasure of those you love).  The politically correct liberal laws that mean that the first response from an obnoxious teenager when warned off some misbehaviour is "you can't touch me, I'll get the law on you" mean that school, public and even family values and discipline are things of the past.  I would never have dreamed of saying something like that to one of my parents or a teacher and I never grew up feeling bullied and persecuted by the adults in my life.  I respected their position.
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2008 at 08:07
On another tack - to all denizens of the Grey Room (be they English or not so English):

Happy St George's day!



Vicky and I intend to be supremely patriotic today by having a pint or two of good warm English ale (and I urge our non-English visitors to do the same).

All together now:

"There'll always be an England
And England shall be..."

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Happy St.George's day to you too Mr & Mrs Garten!!!
 
We're being patriotic too..........we are....... well...........we're having curry for dinner! A good old Birmingham Balti !
 
Nick's in Switzerland today he called to say they are celebrating there but the flag was the wrong way round! Embarrassed
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2008 at 08:41
Ah yes - the flag.

This may have been appropriated by the knuckle dragging extreme right wing and/or those devoted to the great god 'Footie', but here it is just for us:


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Points: 2696 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2008 at 08:47
Hoooorah!!!
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Oh, I always thought that flag meant "I'm a bad driver" Wink


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Close, Dean - used in that context, the true definition is 'I'm a complete '


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Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

Hoooorah!!!


And indeed - Huzzah!

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Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

On another tack - to all denizens of the Grey Room (be they English or not so English):

Happy St George's day!



Vicky and I intend to be supremely patriotic today by having a pint or two of good warm English ale (and I urge our non-English visitors to do the same).

All together now:

"There'll always be an England
And England shall be..."

etc.

 
I can't help feeling that the dragon is using that lance as a toothpick...Ermm
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2008 at 09:55
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Ah yes - the flag.

This may have been appropriated by the knuckle dragging extreme right wing and/or those devoted to the great god 'Footie', but here it is just for us:



<dumb American>
Is that the flag than of England, whereas the Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom?
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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 23 2008 at 09:58
Don't know anything about the holiday, but just the same Happy St. George's Day to all my English friends!

Hug

I'll have to see if I can get some Samuel Smith tonight to celebrate.
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